BTW, Phil carried the positive look, without the negative, and I know him personally to the point that he would never, ever allow himself to have the bloated gut. VanderV, on the other hand shows an amazing physique also, as he keeps the modeling look along with having an incredible muscle mass. 2 different looks, but both know where they wanted to be. These guys are nothing short of lucky to have the parents that they have. Not to mention both of their faces, which in all my time here I have not heard much about this aspect. (This mentioned from my little wifey) They have it all as far as aesthetics are concerned. To put it into perspective, I have good genetics at over 6 ft., but these guys are above the norm.