Wake up! (Dante Trudel)

[Doitagain]

It also helps when the other guy is forgiving and gracious. Sourhernmuscle is a good dude and even was kind enough to give brief and kindly put explanation and educating me. He did well both in the thread and through pm and I am not quite as dumb as I used to be. I appreciate how he handled things.

You just earned 1000 points

 

[SouthernMuscle]

It also helps when the other guy is forgiving and gracious. Sourhernmuscle is a good dude and even was kind enough to give brief and kindly put explanation and educating me. He did well both in the thread and through pm and I am not quite as dumb as I used to be. I appreciate how he handled things.

 

[Doitagain]

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Well maybe exaggeratedly gracious

 

[SouthernMuscle]

Well maybe exaggeratedly gracious

 

[emeric delczeg]

I don't shoot 150 1x/wk. I shoot 50 3x/wk. When I do bloods I take a shot Sunday, draw blood Wednesday morning and take the next shot that afternoon. Has nothing to do with it, it's cyp.

OK, even with 50mg injection and 12 hours after injection your total level it would be in 2000 range.

 

[emeric delczeg]

That's not true. There's a hugely individual response that makes absolute statements like this dumb. 150mg/wk puts me at 1100-1200 4 days after an injection. My training partner is on 250mg / wk and he barely breaks 500 (and he has higher estrogen than me). We both get our test Rx from Wells Pharmacy. 70mg of Test a week and he's in the shitter.

Did you ever try to inject only 10mg and have your blood test after 12 hours?

 

[Vanilla Thunder]

Did you ever try to inject only 10mg and have your blood test after 12 hours?

It's cyp., it has an 8 day half life! ...this is so dumb. I have an idea, why don't you split up your 10mg/day into five 2mg shots? ..and take your blood after 4 hours?? It has nothing to do with your ridiculous statement that 10mg daily will put everyone on within range. No, it won't.

And no, I haven't injected 10mg daily because my goal isn't to be at the high end of natural for a 60 year old man.

 

[Vanilla Thunder]

OK, even with 50mg injection and 12 hours after injection your total level it would be in 2000 range.

No, not because of a 50mg shot in a vacuum it probably wouldn't...but because I also still have test in my system from my last 3 shots, it could be. But still it's not. I've done bloods 24 hours after a shot before when my shots were off schedule and the highest it ever got on 150 total / wk is 1400 something. That's at THE peak after an injection.

 

[emeric delczeg]

It's cyp., it has an 8 day half life! ...this is so dumb. I have an idea, why don't you split up your 10mg/day into five 2mg shots? ..and take your blood after 4 hours?? It has nothing to do with your ridiculous statement that 10mg daily will put everyone on within range. No, it won't.

And no, I haven't injected 10mg daily because my goal isn't to be at the high end of natural for a 60 year old man.

Here my respond for your dump answer : first the termination half life of the Cyp 4 1/2 days, second it take 10 1/2 hours to reach the maximum testosterone serum concentration, there are 1000s using the 10mg daily protocol, a few members of PM are to, ask them.

 

[emeric delczeg]

No, not because of a 50mg shot in a vacuum it probably wouldn't...but because I also still have test in my system from my last 3 shots, it could be. But still it's not. I've done bloods 24 hours after a shot before when my shots were off schedule and the highest it ever got on 150 total / wk is 1400 something. That's at THE peak after an injection.

One more time the blood test must be no longer than 12 hours after injection. You can inject as much you want is your choice.

 

[emeric delczeg]

It's cyp., it has an 8 day half life! ...this is so dumb. I have an idea, why don't you split up your 10mg/day into five 2mg shots? ..and take your blood after 4 hours?? It has nothing to do with your ridiculous statement that 10mg daily will put everyone on within range. No, it won't.

And no, I haven't injected 10mg daily because my goal isn't to be at the high end of natural for a 60 year old man.

So you are 60 years old?

 

[nothuman]

One more time the blood test must be no longer than 12 hours after injection. You can inject as much you want is your choice.

I tried 10mg per day as an experiment once to see if it would drop my hematocrit (it didn’t). My testosterone level was lower than when I was natural. Somewhere in the high 400s range if I remember correctly

 

[Aikman56]

So again it comes down to happiness. Do you know whats probably a lot healthier (especially for joint integrity, avoiding bicep and mcl/acl tears) than doing BJJ and gear? Probably doing yoga and no gear. Are you going to give it up? I tend to doubt it. So ones happiness comes into play here. I am a hair under 6'2" and I walk around at 251 or so and Ill be blunt....I am athletic at this height/weight. I just did a 2 mile hike up in the Utah mountains with my 2 (competitive soccer) teenage girls, people around us were crushed and could not make it....me? not a problem. I get out there and play soccer with them and yea they burn me because they are so fleet of foot, but again not a problem. Last vacation was a 33 mile bike ride followed up by a 22 mile bike ride.

There seems to be a slew of 20-30 year old young guys who comment on threads like this who say things so profoundly like they will just take off any and all muscle mass they built over decades of training no problem when they hit 40....and will hypothetically start playing chinese checkers and play pickleball for a hobby/health strictly for "longevity". They make it seem like they will have no problem walking around like a normal human being as soon as they hit 40 . Ill tell you right now if anyone thinks this who is a long time hardcore bber....no no you wont, unless you have severely compromised your own health with abuse and need to. In fact some of you young guys should snap a jpg of your posts hinting toward that thought process and save it to your desktop and make sure you revisit it when you turn 40, you will eat your words.

Yep! I remember in my early 30s. I used to say “I will no way EVER be the dude over 40 in posing trunks, still on a bodybuilding stage!“… Well, in 32 days I’m gong to be the 48 year-old guy in posing trunks, still on a bodybuilding stage!

granted, my dosages are much more responsible than they once were (which is, by no means, safe!) And I do as much as I can to mitigate risk. But Dante is absolutely right… This is a mental illness that very few have were with all to ever shed.

 

[M@NU]

I tried 10mg per day as an experiment once to see if it would drop my hematocrit (it didn’t). My testosterone level was lower than when I was natural. Somewhere in the high 400s range if I remember correctly

mine was in the 500s with 15mg daily.
to be honest, i didnt go below 30mg daily since over 15 months i think, most of the time 37,5mg or 50mg daily

 

[emeric delczeg]

mine was in the 500s with 15mg daily.
to be honest, i didnt go below 30mg daily since over 15 months i think, most of the time 37,5mg or 50mg daily

 

[emeric delczeg]

Did you did the blood test 12 hours after injection?

 

[Doitagain]

Somebody call an exorcist.

 

[Vanilla Thunder]

So you are 60 years old?

No, and I have no desire to feel like I am, which is just another reason this is dumb.

 

[bbxtreme]

This thread has turned into another high dosage vs low dosage thread…

Oh wait, maybe it’s the same with TRT as it is with gear dosages- each individual will vary and respond differently.

 

[Vanilla Thunder]

One more time the blood test must be no longer than 12 hours after injection. You can inject as much you want is your choice.

yeah, this doesn't jive with your acknowledgment of the "elimination" half life being 4 1/2 days. Show me the graph and this CRITICAL difference between 12 and 24 hours when multiple shots are already still circulating in your system. 2x/ wk is fine for cyp, 3 is what I like. I've done more frequently just because I was shooting it with other faster compounds and...zero difference, sorry. You want to make that statement about prop, fine... you're completely ignoring the more than a week it remains in your system, all the while adding 3 more injections to it; it's pretty damn steady. And most importantly... the amount to achieve the "reference range" can and is going to vary drastically between certain individuals, despite your magical 10mg/day.