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Wow!! I am glad most of the people on this thread don't counsel overweight people.

Alex A who actually works with people had the best point about people being overwhelmed etc... Why do you think richard simmons,jillian michaels,and Bob harper are all so successful?? they get to the ROOT of peoples problems which is stopping them from feeling they deserve to give themselves the best life and health.Help them take it one step,one day at a time.

Calling them lazy,fat,addicted,no will power,etc... all the bullshit on this thread is not how you handle the problem and each individual is different.

But what do I know ? I only work with these people daily.The couple young 20 somethings still living at Mommies are the ones in the know.:eek:
 
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Wow!! I am glad most of the people on this thread don't counsel overweight people.

Alex A who actually works with people had the best point about people being overwhelmed etc... Why do you think richard simmons,jillian michaels,and Bob harper are all so successful?? they get to the ROOT of peoples problems which is stopping them from feeling they deserve to give themselves the best life and health.Help them take it one step,one day at a time.

Calling them lazy,fat,addicted,no will power,etc... all the bullshit on this thread is not how you handle the problem and each individual is different.
But what do I know ? I only work with these people daily.The couple young 20 somethings still living at Mommies are the ones in the know.:eek:

Cachexic, I think we have the same train of thought on this matter, we just took different roads to get to the same destination of agreement, lol.

Kid1, when I talk to overweight people, I don't tell them they are too lazy to do anything worthwhile and being lazy is why they're fat and will always be fat. I am just saying that I personally believe that laziness is the #1 problem in obesity. Now, people don't just say, I'm not going to do anything because I'm lazy and if I get fat, I get fat, oh well. No, I think that the food plays a major role in this, specifically the type of food eaten by the obese people. Of course nobody wants to deadlift after eating a box of oreos or a #3 from Wendys.

They are fat, lazy, addicted to food and have no will power. Yes, there are underlying problems in 99% of the cases of obesity which need to be addressed before any life changing steps can take place. MTV has a show, 'I used to be fat' where they take graduating high school seniors and whip them into shape over the summer. They hit on these things: the underlying problem, the kid being lazy, being fat because of the food, having no will power to stop doing what they're doing, and finally making life changes to acheive their desired results. Most of the obese people have serious self esteem issues, obviously. These need to be addressed, but then the others must be addressed at some point also. You can not overlook these problems, otherwise the person will be right back to being fat.

Bob and Jillian ride these people about being overweight, lazy, what they eat, but they also comfort them and help them get to the root of their problems. There is a lot of psycology to why human beings do what we do, be it good or bad. Being obese is a combination of things, but I see laziness as the major problem. Now if laziness comes from self esteem issues, type of food intake, whatever, I think that is the big problem. Every person is entitled to their own opinion on this matter
 
Calling them lazy,fat,addicted,no will power,etc... all the bullshit on this thread...

It's not bullshit. Addiction and laziness are completely legitimate reasons for causes of obesity. It should be noted that Alex A agreed with those points.

I'm not a trainer but I have been obese and helped other obese people make positive changes.

Calling them lazy,fat,addicted,no will power,etc... all the bullshit on this thread is not how you handle the problem and each individual is different.

Who in this thread said anything about that being how you handle the problem? What are you even talking about? The discussion was on the causes of the obesity epidemic.

But what do I know ?

How to read selectively, apparently. How to completely miss the point of an entire discussion. And how to project yourself as pompous to an insufferable degree.
 
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It's not bullshit. Addiction and laziness are completely legitimate reasons for causes of obesity. It should be noted that Alex A agreed with those points.

I'm not a trainer but I have been obese and helped other obese people make positive changes.



Who in this thread said anything about that being how you handle the problem? What are you even talking about? The discussion was on the causes of the obesity epidemic.



How to read selectively, apparently. How to completely miss the point of an entire discussion. And how to project yourself as pompous to an insufferable degree.

How old are you? what is your education level? coming from a little shit previously banned for being a know it all asshole:D

Hows that diet coming ?was it the "shred log" lol at 170 lbs using 40 mg per day of Dbol.
Go to getbig junior,more your speed.Aren't you the guy telling people injecting and hitting veins to "aim better" ? claiming how experienced you are at injecting AAS and your an ex obese guy,now cutting with Dbol at 170lbs.You come on here arguing with health care professionals on matters they deal with everyday.I am not the first guy you have gotten pissy with that knows circles around you. Soooo,Get lost dipshit,mommy is calling you for dinner . 170lbs cutting huh?:naughty:
 
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Cachexic, I think we have the same train of thought on this matter, we just took different roads to get to the same destination of agreement, lol.

Kid1, when I talk to overweight people, I don't tell them they are too lazy to do anything worthwhile and being lazy is why they're fat and will always be fat. I am just saying that I personally believe that laziness is the #1 problem in obesity. Now, people don't just say, I'm not going to do anything because I'm lazy and if I get fat, I get fat, oh well. No, I think that the food plays a major role in this, specifically the type of food eaten by the obese people. Of course nobody wants to deadlift after eating a box of oreos or a #3 from Wendys.

They are fat, lazy, addicted to food and have no will power. Yes, there are underlying problems in 99% of the cases of obesity which need to be addressed before any life changing steps can take place. MTV has a show, 'I used to be fat' where they take graduating high school seniors and whip them into shape over the summer. They hit on these things: the underlying problem, the kid being lazy, being fat because of the food, having no will power to stop doing what they're doing, and finally making life changes to acheive their desired results. Most of the obese people have serious self esteem issues, obviously. These need to be addressed, but then the others must be addressed at some point also. You can not overlook these problems, otherwise the person will be right back to being fat.

Bob and Jillian ride these people about being overweight, lazy, what they eat, but they also comfort them and help them get to the root of their problems. There is a lot of psycology to why human beings do what we do, be it good or bad. Being obese is a combination of things, but I see laziness as the major problem. Now if laziness comes from self esteem issues, type of food intake, whatever, I think that is the big problem. Every person is entitled to their own opinion on this matter

You make some valid points Richie.
 
How old are you? what is your education level?

Condescension. Pompousness. Self-satisfaction. More of the same.

coming from a little shit previously banned for being a know it all asshole:D

Uh huh. In my brief stay in the banned forum there was talks of you being close to being banned as well for your god-awful attitude. Don't you feel smart now. :rolleyes:

I'll just go back to ignoring you completely. You're impossible.
 
Condescension. Pompousness. Self-satisfaction. More of the same.



Uh huh. In my brief stay in the banned forum there was talks of you being close to being banned as well for your god-awful attitude. Don't you feel smart now. :rolleyes:
I'll just go back to ignoring you completely. You're impossible.

lol in the banned forum huh?? :D you need to understand when you are wrong and STFU,plain and simple.You are a young guy arguing with doctoral level educated people about their very specialty.

You throw out opinions as fact and you will never be taken seriously until you grow up.The whole injection thing was so rediculous ,but now your an obesity specialist too? stop waisting board space kid on your opinions because nobody is buying your B.S.It takes all of about two of your posts to have you pegged as a young know it all punk. Again mommy says dinner time junior:rolleyes:
 
Calm down. You're going to have a heart attack. It's not that serious.

And it's "ridiculous." I wouldn't normally point that out, but you incessantly boast about your level of education, so...Maybe learn how to spell?
 
Calm down. You're going to have a heart attack. It's not that serious.

And it's "ridiculous." I wouldn't normally point that out, but you incessantly boast about your level of education, so...Maybe learn how to spell?

Cool as a cucumber brother:D
Was not an english major so not worried,my hand writing is even worse junior.Can spell enough to do my W-2 ;) Thats when you get educated and have a career and get paid for your knowlege.You don't just go online and try be important :rolleyes:How much is this being a message board know it all paying you?
yeah,lol.
 
I get it. I haven't lived long enough to complete my education and acquire a career that pays well. Point taken. I got the joke the first 100 times.

Now can we be friends?
 
You have a very dogmatic and narrow-minded view of this, in my opinion. You're also making up statistics.

I'll repeat just this: laziness alone is not what makes someone hundreds and hundreds of pounds overweight. It's addiction to food. I'm not saying this addiction cannot be overcome with willpower, and I'm not blaming the food companies...Quit putting words in my mouth. I'm just saying, the food tastes too good, and people are forming addictions. It is what it is.

Additionally, if what I was saying was not true, and the taste of the food wasn't so good that it was causing addictions, then why has the obesity rate tripled across the board, for all age groups, just in the last 30 or 40 years? Are you implying that people just started getting lazy in the last 30-40 years? No. It is the food that has changed and the availability of it. Not the people. There are OTHER factors too, there isn't just one single explanation, but to deny such a thing as food addiction exists is wrong.
With the exception of the Great Depression, food has always been readily available in this Country and that includes sweets, fried foods, etc. Most people my age (49) can remember how the old women used to cook for their families. Obesity rates have tripled because inactivity has tripled. You can first that Atari for what X-Box has brought to full fruition. It has nothing to do with the taste or availability of food. I almost forgot, with regard to childhood obesity, poor parenting is a prime cause of this. The inability to say "no" to a kid who just wants to stuff his face with crap. Not entirely the childs fault. Todays permissive parents are another plague all together.
 
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With the exception of the Great Depression, food has always been readily available in this Country and that includes sweets, fried foods, etc. Most people my age (49) can remember how the old women used to cook for their families. Obesity rates have tripled because inactivity has tripled. You can first that Atari for what X-Box has brought to full fruition. It has nothing to do with the taste or availability of food. I almost forgot, with regard to childhood obesity, poor parenting is a prime cause of this. The inability to say "no" to a kid who just wants to stuff his face with crap. Not entirely the childs fault. Todays permissive parents are another plague all together.

Amen, and being in a farming town I can tell you that farmers getting fatter because of new technology lowering the amount of manual labor needed to be done.

Can't blame 'em though..it's a bitch laying levee gates. :banghead:
 
With the exception of the Great Depression, food has always been readily available in this Country and that includes sweets, fried foods, etc..

I'm not saying junk didn't exist a long time ago...I'm saying it wasn't as readily available.

For example, when I was in high school not that long ago...Evvvveeeeryone in class would be eating either a honey bun, cinnamon bun, a bag of cheetos, white cheddar popcorn + a soda from one of the vending machines outside of the classrooms. You didn't have that a long time ago. You also didn't have kids coming home to a pantry full of pop tarts, oreos, pizza rolls, et cetera. You also didn't have dollar menu drive-thrus, which allows people to buy the most calorically-dense food available in the most convenient way possible.

Consumption has just changed, man. But the inactivity increase is huge, too. But you can't say it's just that. It's not as if every single person was active before the Atari. People have been sitting on their asses long before video games and Facebook. There was television long before the spike in obesity rates in this country, as well as books and other forms of inactive entertainment.
 
Not singling you out locutus61, or anybody for that matter,
nor am I making excuses, but a predisposition does not
help matters . . .

The Economist, Jan 6th 2011, from the print edition

The inheritance of obesity: Thanks, Dad | The Economist

The inheritance of obesity

THAT a gestating mother’s environment can have a permanent effect on the physiology of her offspring is well established. The children of Dutch women who were pregnant during the “Hunger Winter” of 1944, for example, suffer much higher rates of obesity, diabetes and cardiovascular disease than those born a year or two earlier. Similar observations in other famines, together with experiments on rodents, suggest this is an accidental consequence of an evolutionary adaptation to food scarcity. The offspring of starving mothers, anticipating hard times during their own future lives, adjust their metabolisms to hoard calories. If the hard times then go away, the result is a tendency to put on weight, with the unpleasant consequences that entails.

Part of this adaptation is a response by the embryo to the nutrition it receives through the placenta. In some cases, though, the unfertilized ovum itself is believed to be affected. Its DNA is reprogrammed, the theory goes, by a process called cytosine methylation. This switches genes on and off in a way that is maintained when DNA replicates during the process of cell division—and can thus be passed down the generations. It is, moreover, a process that could apply equally to the sperm of putative fathers who were starved around the time of mating.

There are hints that it does. In particular, a recent paper by Sheau-Fang Ng of the University of New South Wales showed that gene activity in the pancreases of mice sired by fat fathers is abnormal. That is significant because the pancreas makes insulin, which regulates blood sugar. Abnormal insulin levels cause diabetes.

Oliver Rando of the University of Massachusetts and his colleagues have now looked at another metabolically crucial organ, the liver, and found a similar effect. To mimic starvation, they fed half of a group of male mice a diet that contained 11% protein, which is low for such rodents. The others were fed a normal diet, containing 20% protein. After between nine and 12 weeks on these diets, each male was given a couple of days’ access to a female who had been raised on a normal diet, to allow him to mate. The males were then taken away from their females, to limit any influence they might have on their progeny. After birth, those progeny were reared by their mothers until they were three weeks old, at which point they were killed and their livers analysed to study the activity of genes involved in metabolism.

As they report in Cell, Dr Rando and his team found 445 genes whose expression appeared to depend strongly on the diet of the father. In particular, genes associated with fat and cholesterol synthesis were much more active in the offspring of fathers who had been fed low-protein diets than in those sired by males who had been on normal diets. That, it might reasonably be assumed, would have allowed the mice in question to lay down any surplus calories as fat more easily than the offspring of well-fed fathers could have done.

Whether cytosine methylation is the explanation for this difference has yet to be tested, but something is clearly happening. Fathers, as well as mothers, it seems, can pass on the benefits of their experiences by subtle tweaking of their genes.

Thanks for posting that Alfresco.
That is also a huge part of the equation.I sort of snapped earlier due to the nasty attitude towards obese individuals by the young unexperienced guys.

There are so many factors to the problem that labeling these people lazy,unmotivated etc... is just naive.
Working with these people and seeing the pain in their eyes and how it affects not only their lives but their children and families is eye opening.

But I guess it is as simple as cooking all their food on sunday and getting their fat asses to the gym according to the people above?? They are just Lazy as I guess my observations and sympathy is wrong!! :rolleyes:
 
The same genetic predispositions existed when obesity rates were much lower. I assumed the topic was broad enough to be inclusive of genetic anomalies without having to go into specifics.
 
Thanks for posting that Alfresco.
That is also a huge part of the equation.I sort of snapped earlier due to the nasty attitude towards obese individuals by the young unexperienced guys.

There are so many factors to the problem that labeling these people lazy,unmotivated etc... is just naive.
Working with these people and seeing the pain in their eyes and how it affects not only their lives but their children and families is eye opening.

My aunt is obese, morbidly obese. She is one of the laziest people I know, she doesn't even want to walk around the grocery store to buy food. But, as you have eluded to, she has underlying problems that have contributed to her obesity, making her self esteem worse, and making her lazy.

Let me change the wording from laziness/lazy to rapidly tired. The food that obese people eat, the extra weight they carry, makes them get tired much faster than an average person. But, she is still lazy either way you look at it, I know this because she is a family member.

But I guess it is as simple as cooking all their food on sunday and getting their fat asses to the gym according to the people above?? They are just Lazy as I guess my observations and sympathy is wrong!! :rolleyes:

Cooking their food on Sunday and getting in the gym is a great way to start! Will that solve their life issues, of course not! They are lazy, but I do agree that there are other variables. These need to be handled by a medical professional, specifically a therapist to get to the root of their problem(s). Sympathy is probably one of the best traits a person can have, I will never knock someone for being sypathetic towards others!

So, going to a nutritionist, a trainer, AND a psycologist is the absolute best way for these people to not only lose weight, but make the all important life changes! IMO This will not only help them, but help their children greatly. The parents will spend more time with their kids, they will be more active, have better self esteem, and enjoy life much more. Thoughts?
 
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Cooking their food on Sunday and getting in the gym is a great way to start! Will that solve their life issues, of course not! They are lazy, but I do agree that there are other variables. These need to be handled by a medical professional, specifically a therapist to get to the root of their problem(s). Sympathy is probably one of the best traits a person can have, I will never knock someone for being sypathetic towards others!

So, going to a nutritionist, a trainer, AND a psycologist is the absolute best way for these people to not only lose weight, but make the all important life changes! IMO This will not only help them, but help their children greatly. The parents will spend more time with their kids, they will be more active, have better self esteem, and enjoy life much more. Thoughts?

Agreed
you would be surprised Richie how lost and helpless these people are.They have no clue how to get it going.Due to their weight everything in there life is suffering.It is so bad they have no idea where or how to begin.
So just giving them one thing a week to change such as walking gets the momentum going and build from there.

They are way too intmidated to go to a regular gym as you know how insensitive people can be pointing and laughing etc..

My whole point has been from actual experience working with these individuals that it is much more complicated than they are lazy.And I see you get that.:)
 
Agreed
you would be surprised Richie how lost and helpless these people are.They have no clue how to get it going.Due to their weight everything in there life is suffering.It is so bad they have no idea where or how to begin.
So just giving them one thing a week to change such as walking gets the momentum going and build from there.

They are way too intmidated to go to a regular gym as you know how insensitive people can be pointing and laughing etc..

My whole point has been from actual experience working with these individuals that it is much more complicated than they are lazy.And I see you get that.:)

Agreed 100%

Something as simple as a 1 minute walk, building up to 2 minutes.... and so on will yeild such great results. When they see the weight starting to come off, they are so overjoyed and want to continue to push.
 
this is a fucking great thread by the way....


I agree most with what buselmo and Alex A

I am a personal trainer at a large corporate gym and saying the average american is overwhelmed by the idea of a new "system" of working out and eating correctly is and understatement.

just a change in a person's normal routine makes them stress out AND stress added to the average lazy American = eating more.

I also wouldn't put everything on laziness as a the problem. I think you can define more as a lack of discipline or a lack of the ability to push through pain!

telling someone to do 4 more reps when they are already tired or jog 5 more minutes when they are already winded or NOT EAT for another hour when they shouldn't even be hungry IS A FUCKING BATTTLE to the average person.

We, as bodybuilders, are self-disciplined and can say PUSH THROUGH IT to ourselves but others cant. They have 0 self discipline and don't know how to push themselves at all.
 
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