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Weird questions for non competitors who stay very lean year round

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When I mean very lean I’m talking sub 12% bf more closer to 8%

If you’re not competing, what is it that drives or motivates you to stay lean year round? More specifically for guys who are not genetically predisposed to being lean and or love junk food. What makes that sacrifice worth it for you?

Is it for vanity purposes? Do you notice general public and peers treat you differently now that you’re jacked and shredded? There’s a saying can’t remember where but it goes, “Nothing tastes as good as looking good.” I think lol

Of course most guys can take steroids, lift hard and get big living comfortably probably around 15% bf. But getting jacked and shredded is a completely different game that requires more discipline.

So if you’re not competing or making a living off of your physique why go the extra mile to live a strict disciplined lifestyle?
 
Why would i like to carry extra few kg of fat on me? Sleeping is worse- i snore a lot. Feel less mobile overall , more things seems to be a struggle etc. Cutting is much longer- more loss of lbm in process, you do not utilise food as good , more sides from gear due to higher estro and so on. It is not worth it for me. Once i realise how everything is good when i am lean i decided never again to be permabulker. I will also never be fat cause i really enjoy healthy food and cooking. The older i get the more i value great nutrition.
 
Why would i like to carry extra few kg of fat on me? Sleeping is worse- i snore a lot. Feel less mobile overall , more things seems to be a struggle etc. Cutting is much longer- more loss of lbm in process, you do not utilise food as good , more sides from gear due to higher estro and so on. It is not worth it for me. Once i realise how everything is good when i am lean i decided never again to be permabulker. I will also never be fat cause i really enjoy healthy food and cooking. The older i get the more i value great nutrition.
Amen ^^^

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Why would i like to carry extra few kg of fat on me? Sleeping is worse- i snore a lot. Feel less mobile overall , more things seems to be a struggle etc. Cutting is much longer- more loss of lbm in process, you do not utilise food as good , more sides from gear due to higher estro and so on. It is not worth it for me. Once i realise how everything is good when i am lean i decided never again to be permabulker. I will also never be fat cause i really enjoy healthy food and cooking. The older i get the more i value great nutrition.

👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
 
Not a bodybuilder (always have to preface with that I swear)
I stay offseason 215-225 depending on what I am messing around with at 11-13% depending on caloric needs. When prepping for an event I will get down to 8-11%, never lower than 8.

Few key points for me
  • The more fat I hold equates to more water retention for me which means a higher resting heart rate and a poor HRV not allowing for optimal neurological recovery.
  • Unnecessary weight increases joint stress dramatically on runs decreasing performance and increasing potential for injury
  • For dry needling/manual therapy I notice a stark difference on how effective the sessions are at 8 vs 13%
  • Regarding discipline - I have found its' rarely siloed. Guys that have their performance, diet, recovery all dialed in usually have everything else dialed in as well. They value data and both short and long term strategies to meet their given KPIs. The discipline I picked up in jesus my high school weight lifting class placed me on a trajectory in my life I couldn't have replicated without those first steps.
  • Increased longevity
  • There is without a doubt an ego aspect as well - In my humble opinion the guys walking around the gym at 20% on gobs of test with round faces look like shit in my opinion. Its' a fat dude that lifts on occasion.
  • My given career field reputation and appearance is everything - I am an old guy for where I work, if I do not look the part in instantly takes away from my credibility
 
Oh a thread I can contribute to lol.

I think it started when one day I just said "fuck I wanna see how lean I can get". Got there felt like shit no sleep no libido no energy so had to put back on 15lbs to feel right. But stayed there for a bit as my days of chasing size are over...the extra weight food AAS give me high bp shoot my kidney values up .. heart palpitations etc.

So about a year ago decided to cut back down I just like the way I look lean...fits my body type better as my arms and delts always lagged so when I bulk It all goes to chest back ...waist...I look more proportional leaner and I think better...

So I cut again got back to my leanist even leaner before using intermittent fasting..and my energy is fine now. Only issue is I wake up at 530 ...but I can sleep at night so I go to bed early to make up for my body not being able to sleep in...so I have energy. As everyone has seen I have OCD I think being lean makes it worse

But anyway...Im just happy with how I look smaller leaner vs more full and heavier..clothes fit better... better cardio...BP... health markers etc

I did cut out the if it caused me an unhealthy relationship with food. I guess to summarize I just like the lean ripped look and am fine with sacrificing size. My goal physique has changed over the years.
 
Why would i like to carry extra few kg of fat on me? Sleeping is worse- i snore a lot. Feel less mobile overall , more things seems to be a struggle etc. Cutting is much longer- more loss of lbm in process, you do not utilise food as good , more sides from gear due to higher estro and so on. It is not worth it for me. Once i realise how everything is good when i am lean i decided never again to be permabulker. I will also never be fat cause i really enjoy healthy food and cooking. The older i get the more i value great nutrition.

Everything above (health, feel good, blood pressure) but also I decided to downsize and limit my bodyweight as I've gotten older. So basically I want to make the most of that bodyweight and that means staying leaner. Note that I'm not a BBer, nor naturally one of those super lean guys so 8% is a bit much but 10-12 is ideal and I can get there and feel great without a huge effort - just sustained solid work.
 
When I mean very lean I’m talking sub 12% bf more closer to 8%

If you’re not competing, what is it that drives or motivates you to stay lean year round? More specifically for guys who are not genetically predisposed to being lean and or love junk food. What makes that sacrifice worth it for you?

Is it for vanity purposes? Do you notice general public and peers treat you differently now that you’re jacked and shredded? There’s a saying can’t remember where but it goes, “Nothing tastes as good as looking good.” I think lol

Of course most guys can take steroids, lift hard and get big living comfortably probably around 15% bf. But getting jacked and shredded is a completely different game that requires more discipline.

So if you’re not competing or making a living off of your physique why go the extra mile to live a strict disciplined lifestyle?
Health

Insulin sensitivity

More honest assessment of physique

Smoother prep

Look better
 
Health

Insulin sensitivity

More honest assessment of physique

Smoother prep

Look better
This too. Never need to diet because you never get fat. Insulin sensitivity for sure I know my a1c is always super low out of range. When I was a perma my creatine would be 1.4 + ...I think Alex azarian had me around 220 for a year and I wasn't fat...but I stood next to a guy at my gym who had a smaller waist but much higher BF...he was 219. So I had more lbm ..he looked like a bodybuilder I sure as hell didn't. So even with a top coach...I just never had the look...much smaller I look more "aesthetic" because my waist is small so my tiny arms and shoulders look bigger at 180 than at 220...all an illusion

But I still enjoy the forums talking training...diet I don't worry much about...but AAs.. supplement...even us lean small guys benefit from the same knowledge and tools as big guys we just use the information/tools and apply it differently to meet our goals
 
A long list of health and longevity reasons to stay lean. One thing I can also say is my face changes dramatically from 15% to 10% from a chubby kid face to a lean chiseled jaw grown man face. I hate taking pictures (on a trip or vacation for example) if my face looks fat
 
I wouldn't say I actively try to stay lean year-round but with how I live this lifestyle it works out that way.

If you'd told me years ago I'd be able to eat the way I do now and look the way I do now I'd have thought you were crazy as I was a naturally stocky kid. Bur years of hard training, regimented eating, and PED use clearly evolved my metabolism, muscle mass, body fat, and overall set point to what it is now.

I'd go so far as to say I actively don't try to stay lean because I find dieting to be very easy. I can always take the fat off in 10 weeks but it takes much longer to reach peak offseason weight. As y'all have seen with the meals I've posted lately when I'm putting in size I go all out to get as big as possible as fast as possible.

Is it vanity? Only for myself. I only try to be better than what I've been before.

But I can absolutely say you'll be treated different if you look great all year long. Just off the top of my head - extra portions at restaurants, free desserts, skip the line at the club, promoters bring you to VIP, heads turn when you walk in a room, take your pick of girls, go to the worst areas without a care in the world, all the people you'll meet from them making comments that can become resources (ex. a plumber, mechanic, business networking person, etc). There's a world that a lot of guys think exists only in movies / TV / porn but I can tell you it's absolutely real for the right people.

Guys used to mock @concreter for all the bragging he did about his experiences in public but if you don't live the bodybuilding monk lifestyle you'll also have those same experiences.
 
The leaner you can stay while adding lean tissue, the better. Why would you not is the better question?

Most of the issues or “side effects” guys are blaming on “gear” is not the gear itself, but more the bodyweight (fat) they’re carrying while on it. If you don’t believe that then why is it most guys have better bloodwork and vitals during a cutting phase..

I don’t think one should be afraid of carrying a little extra weight, but when you’re truly trying to add lean tissue it’s a race of how much lean tissue you can add before you add too much fat.

Knowing that you should do all you can to maximize lean tissue gain while minimizing fat gain during a progressive phase. You’ll make better progress, longer and keep more of it when you diet down.

All that aside though, it’s better to be lean and jacked than it is to be fat and jacked. This is bodybuilding. 😎
 
having high bodyfat throws everything off, estrogen/sleep/insulin sensitivity/higher bp/resting hr/worse blood work/Increase SHBG etc. As I get older, I am trying to stay leaner because it's just more efficient.
 
having high bodyfat throws everything off, estrogen/sleep/insulin sensitivity/higher bp/resting hr/worse blood work/Increase SHBG etc. As I get older, I am trying to stay leaner because it's just more efficient.

THIS ^^^^^^
plus I'm just a vain motherfucker 😉
 
having high bodyfat throws everything off, estrogen/sleep/insulin sensitivity/higher bp/resting hr/worse blood work/Increase SHBG etc. As I get older, I am trying to stay leaner because it's just more efficient.
There's another forum I won't call out starts with think ends with steroids lol.... their AAS forum is basically a trt forum. Guys talking about "I need an ai 300 mg test I have horrible estrogen sides" "what BP meds to take". 90 % of the time they are 16% plus bf... mention maybe getting in shape and lowering bf they get mad " the average person is 15% what do you mean get lean? I am lean idiot" lol
 
I think I fall into the category you mention and honestly it’s real easy for me. I train really hard 5 days a week. I eat a very flexible but overall clean diet. Protein is the base of everything I eat. Even when I eat ice cream I have two scoops of whey first LOL. I also allow myself to eat whatever I want when the social situation arises.

What makes it easy is when you are lean enough you can see the changes daily (granted mostly water) but if I do notice I’m trending a little softer than I want I can adjust quickly pulling out any deserts or random snacks and get right back where I want in a few days.

I do enjoy looking good but honestly it just feels good and I like the process.
 
I don't doubt the majority of guys on this forum, competitor or not, stay tight and within reach year round for the many reasons mentioned above. If for no other reason than to just look good. That said, if someone told me that the majority of guys are sitting at 8% I would be stunned.

Some of us do it because of muscle dysmorphia. Muscle dysmorphia is not what many gym bros call bigorexia, it is much more complex, and not necessarily a never satiated desire for size, but is for overall body composition including size, musculature, leanness etc. would actually prefer to be fatter, but my stupid fucking brain will not allow it. It is weird actually if you think about it. My subconscious physiological brain knows that being and staying too lean is detrimental, and eventually starts telling you to start gaining bodyfat motherfucker, but that same brain allows my conscious to override the physiological need to gain fat, and continue to stay lean? it is bizarre
 
Most of the issues or “side effects” guys are blaming on “gear” is not the gear itself, but more the bodyweight (fat) they’re carrying while on it. If you don’t believe that then why is it most guys have better bloodwork and vitals during a cutting phase..
So incredibly true…
 

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