Wellness judging criteria_ Advice, Input

[Designbuilt]

I've found that some women will have bigger boobs and less on the hips/butt area.
Where as others are opposite, some have both, but it's rare and... Those who have more on top, rarely build the glutes to match and if and when they do, they'll lose a lot when they diet down. Similar to men, I'm the opposite, I can get my lower body to grow in the offseason and they'll still have striations even when my upper body gets fat, but I'll lose a lot of the gains when I diet down...


Either way, I feel that the Wellness division is for women who are lower body dominant... My GF (she's Nikki_Wellness on PM) is in my opinion the perfect example of what Wellness was meant to be...
Here are the criteria directly from the NPC website:

-Level of conditioning?
We are looking for conditioning almost on par with Bikini athletes, but the athletes will have slightly more muscle. We want to see a little body fat with slight separation but no striations.
-Abs defined like Figure or less defined like Bikini?
As it currently is in Bikini.

-Shoulders? Rounded & Capped like Figure and Women’s Physique or less pronounced like Bikini?
Slightly more developed than Bikini and a little less than Figure, but not as lean and with no striations. Not like Women’s Physique.

-How much definition for quads?
The quads should display an athletic appearance with slight separation but no striations. Not as lean and defined as Figure and Women’s Physique.

-Glute Development?
Full round glutes with a slight separation between the hamstring and glute area but no striations, as is in place for the Bikini Division. Glutes will be bigger than current Bikini competitors. They will not be as lean and defined as Figure and Women’s Physique.


My goals for her are to lean out a little bit more, especially bring in her abs more and make her waist a little smaller and tighten the glutes and hams slightly. But the thing is that I've looked at the advanced Wellness competitors and they've deviated from what the criteria as listed on their site. I see girls who are very lean and have striations and very little fat. It's frustrating, because when the judging isn't consistent, almost any decision can be justified... But if the criteria states that they want to see some fat and some softness, then why are they awarding the titles to very lean girls with no fat?


Regardless, she's 5 weeks out and this is where she is now as of today: (the last pic with the hooters outfit was last week)

Any input would be appreciated.

 

[cage99]

If it were me, I’d look at what physiques have won the 1st place slot in the last 5yrs. If those 5 winners aren’t within the current judging requirements, then you know the judges aren’t following the division rules. Then I’d shoot for the conditioning that’s been rewarded in the past.

It’s tough because it’s all subjective, but you’ll know more once she enters. Then get information on why she placed where she did compared to other competitors.

Hopefully someone with judging experience and chime in here for ya lil lady. Wish her the best.

Cage

 

[Designbuilt]

If it were me, I’d look at what physiques have won the 1st place slot in the last 5yrs. If those 5 winners aren’t within the current judging requirements, then you know the judges aren’t following the division rules. Then I’d shoot for the conditioning that’s been rewarded in the past.

It’s tough because it’s all subjective, but you’ll know more once she enters. Then get information on why she placed where she did compared to other competitors.

Hopefully someone with judging experience and chime in here for ya lil lady. Wish her the best.

Cage

It seems as if they keep creating new divisions in order to be more I guess marketable to what most women might like or may be more appealing to the general public, then they deviate from that, go for the most ripped and then muscular competitors, then create a new division, I saw it with fitness, then figure, physique, bikini and now wellness... It's too tough to figure out what they want and when that's the case, it seems as if it's more subjective... I guess what I can do and what my goal is for her is to just make her look as good as possible in a sense that she looks as appealing as possible, or make her look the way she would want to or I would think she'd look best and I personally think more abs won't hurt, slightly leaner everywhere, no cellulite, but not rock hard.

I look at some of these woman and they look great offseason but come competition time, they get a little too lean in my opinion. But this is going to be her first show and We'll bring our best package and see what happens...

 

[qbkilla]

As someone who doesn't follow bodybuilding had no idea this existed, figured there was a contest for extremely muscular women then for more mainstream (bikini I guess). As long as they don't have a BBW women division or any division to promote bodyfat or a will Thomas swimmer situation it's cool.

How do regular beauty pageants tie into this? If I'm a good looking girl, is fitness or traditional pageants more profitable?

She looks great BTW!

 

[Designbuilt]

As someone who doesn't follow bodybuilding had no idea this existed, figured there was a contest for extremely muscular women then for more mainstream (bikini I guess). As long as they don't have a BBW women division or any division to promote bodyfat or a will Thomas swimmer situation it's cool.

How do regular beauty pageants tie into this? If I'm a good looking girl, is fitness or traditional pageants more profitable?

She looks great BTW!

From my experience definitely fitness (I've had experience with pageants btw)

There's just no money in them and they're far to time consuming. I knew 2 girls at local shows (one of which I helped prep) mostly her presentation; and one who took 2nd at miss USA back in the 90s.

They have to make appearances every month, travel and it was about 80,000 a year salary back in 2004, but that's to the national champion...

 

[Gunsmith]

Wellness is the wild card right now , the judging seems to sway from show to show.
From what the "average" seems to be for national qualifying shows is basically the same level of condition as bikini but thicker legs and glutes.
Visible definition in abs , visible speration in arms shoulder , back and legs but not so much vascularity shows through or any striations.

ALOT , of how these girls look is in their posing.
They can do the wellness/bikini poses and look perfect then do figure posing and look was to lean and muscular.

 

[Designbuilt]

These were taken today, I think she looks magnificent... I love everything about her body, we're going to tighten up more, the abs mostly get harder from the legs, I know it goes against what the NPC rules said, but I see a lot of the National level women winning like that, harder and more size. but these proportions are more in line with bigger bottom than top, she almost looks like a female superhero...

 

[cage99]

So when’s the finished product gonna be? Curious as to where Nikki ends up and how other contestants show up. Make sure to show pics of other competitors and the like the top 5.

Cage

 

[Ranchhand]

So when’s the finished product gonna be? Curious as to where Nikki ends up and how other contestants show up. Make sure to show pics of other competitors and the like the top 5.

Cage

I'm curious as well, started watching this thread. I want my fiancée to try out Wellness too and I believe she has a strong enough interest to do it. We just haven't made the leap yet. Once our lives are settled we'll see if she has the confidence to go for it, I feel she'll do well, at least at the local/state level.

 

[Designbuilt]

Here's a few I took today with the shoes and suit. Were a month out...

She definitely needs color... I'm considering crossing over to another division...

It's a shame to not show that back. (Wellness competitors wel their hair over their back like a cape) supposedly they don't care to see it...

 

[Gunsmith]

She probably has the size for regional size shows as long as some freak doesn't show up , from what I've seen here in the south from Dallas to Panama City her condition needs to come in a bit.
Alot of the girls placing well are reasonable lean up too , a bit more than some bikini
This is a good friend of mine I've prepped the last couple years , she gonna do nationals this year.
Just to give you an idea what an overall at several national qualifying shows looks like in our area.

 

[cage99]

@Gunsmith, was the lady you posted pictures of competing in the wellness division also? If so then Nikki would need to cut down some more to get some veins, and more muscle separation going.

Cage

 

[Gunsmith]

@Gunsmith, was the lady you posted pictures of competing in the wellness division also? If so then Nikki would need to cut down some more to get some veins, and more muscle separation going.

Cage

Yep , she only competed in Wellness.

 

[Designbuilt]

I'm going to have her lean out, we have a whole month... thanks for the input...

 

[Gunsmith]

I'm going to have her lean out, we have a whole month... thanks for the input...

With the way Bikini and wellness are I'd have her do both the first show or two and get the judges critiques and see what they say about her size and shape for Wellness. Wellness is the new fad so alot of girls wanna do it because bikini is "played out" as I've heard it called but when they get dieted down they are not near as muscular as they thought , but I've seen some girls wanna do bikini and they have legs like a fucking quarter horse.!

 

[Fit2Serve]

my goodness that girl is a 10/10 my goodness......

 

[Designbuilt]

With the way Bikini and wellness are I'd have her do both the first show or two and get the judges critiques and see what they say about her size and shape for Wellness. Wellness is the new fad so alot of girls wanna do it because bikini is "played out" as I've heard it called but when they get dieted down they are not near as muscular as they thought , but I've seen some girls wanna do bikini and they have legs like a fucking quarter horse.!

Oh I see, I was considering putting her in multiple classes
We had our last big cheat day yesterday...
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[airman]

I'm going to have her lean out, we have a whole month... thanks for the input...

Even for a regional show, I think she needs to be more conditioned than she is. Only real difference between bikini and wellness imo is that wellness has more much more muscular and seperated legs (and upperbody more muscular but not as muscular as figure/physique). But even on bikini girls you will see (small) capped shoulders, glute ham tie in and abs. On wellness girls is much more muscular and pronounced. Even quad seperation. To me she looks way more than a month out, this is the condition I see girls in starting their 12 week preps. Looks great in a bikini but right now this is far from a stage look.

 

[airman]

Just go over to https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/contests/npc_2022/index.php
and check out any of the shows, take a look at the bikini winners and wellness winners and you will see what I mean. Other than the odd show, where nobody showed up, the girls in bikni and wellness are much more conditioned.

 

[Designbuilt]

Even for a regional show, I think she needs to be more conditioned than she is. Only real difference between bikini and wellness imo is that wellness has more much more muscular and seperated legs (and upperbody more muscular but not as muscular as figure/physique). But even on bikini girls you will see (small) capped shoulders, glute ham tie in and abs. On wellness girls is much more muscular and pronounced. Even quad seperation. To me she looks way more than a month out, this is the condition I see girls in starting their 12 week preps. Looks great in a bikini but right now this is far from a stage look.

I'm sticking to my plan with her, I'm confident in my methods and that I'll have her ready in less than a month.