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Iv never found npp to give any joint relief whatsoever like Deca does. But with Deca at least 400 mg a week to really notice any type joint relief
I only used 50mg mostly, a few times 100mg, never tried more than that. I notice the stimulation very much but others I've had try it didn't notice much at all. I guess it's individual. How stimulated do you get?
Not very stimulated in the way adderall or caffeine gets you - it’s more mental almost a manic feeling. Not unpleasant just kind of mnerve wracking given I started it to regenerate my DA system, not abuse it!I only used 50mg mostly, a few times 100mg, never tried more than that. I notice the stimulation very much but others I've had try it didn't notice much at all. I guess it's individual. How stimulated do you get?
Are you sure deca converts to estrogen at a higher rate than test? I thought it was the other way around even though the progesterone from deca makes the body convert more estrogen.Hormonal changes alone can cause nipple issues. I've had prolactin mid-range, low estrogen and nipple issues, I've also had sensitive estrogen test at 97 and no nipple issues. Not sure I buy into prolactin issues. I've ran tren many times(I know this thread is about deca). I've tried caber and prami, both pharma grade, I know the prami was legit, it has distinctive sides, and neither stopped tren induced gyno despite estrogen being in range but anytime I've upped my ai while taking tren, no gyno issues. I think it all still comes down to estrogen and we know that deca/npp converts to estrogen at a higher rate than test.
How much did deca increase their estrogen levels?all yall who say nandrolone raises prolactin, do u have the blood tests proving that?
cuz everyone ive seen on nandrolone who got bloods had zero rises in prolactiin. zero.
but, they were on little test.
Oh sorry. Was a few drinks in when I posted that. Must of side tracked myself, I believe deca converts to estrogen at a 20% rate to test.A
Are you sure deca converts to estrogen at a higher rate than test? I thought it was the other way around even though the progesterone from deca makes the body convert more estrogen.
Nandrolone itself also binds to estrogen receptors.How much did deca increase their estrogen levels?
Believe it or not, it's quicker to list the AAS that don't bind to ERα and ERβ than do. But yes, nandrolone binds to the AR and PR with high affinity and to both major ER with low affinity.Nandrolone itself also binds to estrogen receptors.
tren can cause gyno 3 different ways. igf being one. and that isnt addressed by any of the meds you mentioned.Hormonal changes alone can cause nipple issues. I've had prolactin mid-range, low estrogen and nipple issues, I've also had sensitive estrogen test at 97 and no nipple issues. Not sure I buy into prolactin issues. I've ran tren many times(I know this thread is about deca). I've tried caber and prami, both pharma grade, I know the prami was legit, it has distinctive sides, and neither stopped tren induced gyno despite estrogen being in range but anytime I've upped my ai while taking tren, no gyno issues. I think it all still comes down to estrogen and we know that deca/npp converts to estrogen at a higher rate than test.
10mg of MENT a day with 30-60mg raloxifene (prevents sides from MENT and helps good collagen synthesis (the elastic type) too.
10mg of MENT a day with 30-60mg raloxifene (prevents sides from MENT and helps good collagen synthesis (the elastic type) too.
You are not the only one that has said ment is good for collagen synthesis. Do you have access to the studies that showed this?
Not trying to be a dick, I just can’t find the literature. If you could link some that would be amazing
Do you run any test with that protocol? Do you know what your E2 is at?
IMO, TREST is probably just like Deca
Extra water = joint lube.
Once you get off the stuff the joints hurt again. Lol.
Legit TB500 (and BCP157) is the real deal. Actually heals.
Problem is nowadays - good stuff is a challenge to procure. I keep getting burned.
I’ve found that 25 mgs of Ment per day is good for me.You are not the only one that has said ment is good for collagen synthesis. Do you have access to the studies that showed this?
Not trying to be a dick, I just can’t find the literature. If you could link some that would be amazing
I doubt the loss of sex drive is from Deca dec DHT. Proviron will tank your HDL. Just add 50-100mg p5p and 400iu Vit E (with a meal) at night if your prolactin sensitive on Deca.I’m afraid the same thing is going to happen to me. So, I’m going to try adding proviron to help counteract the loss in sex drive. I’ve read that DECA/NPP lowers DHT levels. The proviron should help.