What’s your experience with primo?

[luki7788]

I'm not directing this at you necessarily, but your post allows me to make a point.

Low HDL is the primary short term side effect of injectable AAS. It's a key characteristic of injectables that cannot aromatize.

To say we aren't getting any sides - aside from the most significant and perhaps dangerous one - seems....odd.

I won't shit on primo per say, but when I see people saying it's "safer" than a comparable AAS so they will take 3x the dose to get similar results the relative health profile has gone out the window a while ago.

Reminds me of people who insist on taking 100mg of Anavar because it's "safer".

Regarding low HDL on gear - of course, this is not proof, but my hypothesis, which is confirmed by one of the studies

 

[hawkmoon]

Regarding low HDL on gear - of course, this is not proof, but my hypothesis, which is confirmed by one of the studies

Thanks for sharing this Luki, and I appreciate your view. I will disagree this time however.

While androgens do increase HDL turnover, the mechanism by which they do so outpaces synthesis, which leads to a depleted pool. HDL has other benefits besides transport as well, I believe it helps keep vascular tissue pliable via NO.

As an aside, testosterone can be considered "healthier" in this context, as it does aromatize and is thus milder on HDL. Of course we are using it with primo and other AAS, so there is some mitigation.

 

[Oakley6575]

To say we aren't getting any sides - aside from the most significant and perhaps dangerous one - seems....odd.

I get your point, but I disagree for my body. I get, what I believe, are much worse side effects from deca/npp, and EQ, than I do on primo. You can say the lower HDL is the most dangerous, but having an HDL of lets say 25 vs 30 is not a big enough variance to blow my statement you quoted out of proportion. I have "low" HDL on trt. I always have.

To your point, I do have lower HDL on primo than I do on deca, but like I said, it's not cut in half or anything. It's a few points lower than my already low setpoint. The water retention and breathing issues I get after 6-8 weeks on deca/npp are far more dangerous to me personally than having a few points lower HDL.

 

[d4ve]

Anyone else seeing far more PIP / inflammation from Primo lately?

It could just be the particular source, but I also know there's been talk of impurities / contamination. I usually get little to no PIP, even from compounds such as Primo that are known for it. This stuff is giving me pretty severe inflammation after most shots, and my nighttime RHR shoots up.

I haven't checked my CRP while using this batch, but it's got me not even wanting to use it.

 

[luki7788]

Thanks for sharing this Luki, and I appreciate your view. I will disagree this time however.

While androgens do increase HDL turnover, the mechanism by which they do so outpaces synthesis, which leads to a depleted pool. HDL has other benefits besides transport as well, I believe it helps keep vascular tissue pliable via NO.

As an aside, testosterone can be considered "healthier" in this context, as it does aromatize and is thus milder on HDL. Of course we are using it with primo and other AAS, so there is some mitigation.

Of course, you have every right to disagree with me.

I'm not saying that what I said in the video is the absolute truth. In fact, I clearly said it's my theory. The reality is that we don't know for sure because there simply isn't enough research on this topic.

As for low HDL, it depends on what you mean by "low." As @Oakley6575 pointed out, an HDL of around 25-30 isn't necessarily extremely low. Also remember that the standard reference range of 40 mg/dL and above comes from the general population.
If we wanted proper reference ranges for bodybuilders, we'd have to study bodybuilders and establish normal values based on that population.
The same applies to liver enzymes, creatinine, urea, and many other markers. Bodybuilders simply don't fit into the reference ranges designed for average people.
Comparing our lab results directly to the normal population is often misleading because our physiology is very different due to enhanced muscle mass, training, and hormone use

 

[the_unit]

Anyone else seeing far more PIP / inflammation from Primo lately?

It could just be the particular source, but I also know there's been talk of impurities / contamination. I usually get little to no PIP, even from compounds such as Primo that are known for it. This stuff is giving me pretty severe inflammation after most shots, and my nighttime RHR shoots up.

I haven't checked my CRP while using this batch, but it's got me not even wanting to use it.

A lot of the product in circulation seems to be coming as finished oil from China, and they are using fairly large amounts of EO in these finished products.

 

[mexbeast]

Anyone else seeing far more PIP / inflammation from Primo lately?

It could just be the particular source, but I also know there's been talk of impurities / contamination. I usually get little to no PIP, even from compounds such as Primo that are known for it. This stuff is giving me pretty severe inflammation after most shots, and my nighttime RHR shoots up.

I haven't checked my CRP while using this batch, but it's got me not even wanting to use it.

Could they be using dhb instead? Do you get pip from test p? Lots of fakes are test p!

 

[acam4]

I love primo. My best look is high test with primo at 80% of test dosage. I miss when it was considered a girl steroid and was super cheap

 

[Oakley6575]

I love primo. My best look is high test with primo at 80% of test dosage. I miss when it was considered a girl steroid and was super cheap

The vibe I get, is that it is in fact still considered a girl drug. But it's definitely not super cheap.

 

[buck]

The vibe I get, is that it is in fact still considered a girl drug. But it's definitely not super cheap.

I feel my estrogen rising.