What’s your gh dosage ?

[Simon90]

And it really has to do with HOW MUCH GH you're shooting.
But like M@NU said, GH has 0 nutrient shuttling effects. Its not moving anything thru your body....your body is pretty primed to do that PWO and insulin helps even more. But again, super dependent on just how much GH you're shooting PWO. A LOT of GH, probably need some insulin to help. Anything under 5iu, you're probably ok.

I always thought it did have. More so indirectly, through increasing hepatic and local igf 1 enhancing amino acid uptake into the muscle and improving protein synthesis. And freeing up fatty acids for energy so more glycogen can be used by the muscle instead.

How much of a real world difference it makes I don't know!

 

[RSMainz]

Been running 18-20 ius for a while (half a 36iu vial but HPLC @ 40ius) and for the last week been checking my blood sugars before every meal and 3 hours after each meal. Readings been good post prandial for my first 3 meals post workout (4-6nmol), but meals 4-5 glucose would stay high at 8-10 until the following day.

Been splitting the GH into 5 doses daily, just pin with every meal. But I'm going to try half pre workout and then half before bed (about 12 hrs apart) and keep the same diet, see if that has any effect on my numbers.

Those who do pin "before bed" is this literally before going to sleep which would probably be 2-3 hours after your last meal or do you just take it with your pre bed meal?

 

[Klax]

Been running 18-20 ius for a while (half a 36iu vial but HPLC @ 40ius) and for the last week been checking my blood sugars before every meal and 3 hours after each meal. Readings been good post prandial for my first 3 meals post workout (4-6nmol), but meals 4-5 glucose would stay high at 8-10 until the following day.

Been splitting the GH into 5 doses daily, just pin with every meal. But I'm going to try half pre workout and then half before bed (about 12 hrs apart) and keep the same diet, see if that has any effect on my numbers.

Those who do pin "before bed" is this literally before going to sleep which would probably be 2-3 hours after your last meal or do you just take it with your pre bed meal?

I've been mixing it up. Not sure what the difference is long term (the deeper I go into scientific literature and the online debates, the more confusing everything gets), but mostly just focused on "getting it in me". I was doing all bolus before bed, then morning and post-workout, then morning and pre-bed, then post-workout and before bed.

No clue what's yielding the best results but I feel like long-term the difference is negligible. Maybe one of them allows me to absorb 10g more glycogen in my muscles... IDK

 

[gains4000]

Been running 18-20 ius for a while (half a 36iu vial but HPLC @ 40ius) and for the last week been checking my blood sugars before every meal and 3 hours after each meal. Readings been good post prandial for my first 3 meals post workout (4-6nmol), but meals 4-5 glucose would stay high at 8-10 until the following day.

Been splitting the GH into 5 doses daily, just pin with every meal. But I'm going to try half pre workout and then half before bed (about 12 hrs apart) and keep the same diet, see if that has any effect on my numbers.

Those who do pin "before bed" is this literally before going to sleep which would probably be 2-3 hours after your last meal or do you just take it with your pre bed meal?

I would just do 20IU, 90 minutes after your last meal.

 

[RSMainz]

I would just do 20IU, 90 minutes after your last meal.

I might give it a go if I'm still having BGL issues but to me once a day just doesn't sound as effective as twice per day. I'm not sure if we even have studies on this stuff but 10iu twice a day sounds like it's going to be absorbed a lot better than a big 20iu bolus

 

[M@NU]

I might give it a go if I'm still having BGL issues but to me once a day just doesn't sound as effective as twice per day. I'm not sure if we even have studies on this stuff but 10iu twice a day sounds like it's going to be absorbed a lot better than a big 20iu bolus

i assume you dont take insulin?

 

[RSMainz]

i assume you dont take insulin?

I do

 

[Simon90]

Been running 18-20 ius for a while (half a 36iu vial but HPLC @ 40ius) and for the last week been checking my blood sugars before every meal and 3 hours after each meal. Readings been good post prandial for my first 3 meals post workout (4-6nmol), but meals 4-5 glucose would stay high at 8-10 until the following day.

Been splitting the GH into 5 doses daily, just pin with every meal. But I'm going to try half pre workout and then half before bed (about 12 hrs apart) and keep the same diet, see if that has any effect on my numbers.

Those who do pin "before bed" is this literally before going to sleep which would probably be 2-3 hours after your last meal or do you just take it with your pre bed meal?

Your way more advanced than me, but just my input but I’m also running same gh. And my post prandial sugars are between 3.6 to 4.8 2 hours after a meal all the way up to last meal.

I’m splitting my gh 3x day, 8iu upon wake, 7iu preworkout and 5iu before bed.

Novorapid with certain meals, usually meals 1 pre and post.

I keep my fats at trace, no processed foods at all, move between meals and been training higher volume, all of which is why I think my sugars are looking so good. Literally the best they’ve been.

Also splitting the novorapid depending on the meal helps too. If it’s oats for example I’ll do 50percent 5mins before eating and the rest 20mins after. If it’s rice or rice flour or something fast I’ll do the whole shot 20mins before.

 

[RSMainz]

Your way more advanced than me, but just my input but I’m also running same gh. And my post prandial sugars are between 3.6 to 4.8 2 hours after a meal all the way up to last meal.

I’m splitting my gh 3x day, 8iu upon wake, 7iu preworkout and 5iu before bed.

Novorapid with certain meals, usually meals 1 pre and post.

I keep my fats at trace, no processed foods at all, move between meals and been training higher volume, all of which is why I think my sugars are looking so good. Literally the best they’ve been.

Also splitting the novorapid depending on the meal helps too. If it’s oats for example I’ll do 50percent 5mins before eating and the rest 20mins after. If it’s rice or rice flour or something fast I’ll do the whole shot 20mins before.

Yeah hopefully this works for me cause I can't see where else I'm going wrong. Cal intake isn't excessive for my bodyweight. Around 45cal/kg right now. No fats either. Long acting insulin and short acting with all meals. 5 days training per week 2-2.5 hour sessions, rest days lower cal/carbs. I've never been able to consistently get my BGL stable throughout the entire day unless I'm in prep or starving myself. Bodyweight has held stable for over a month now, I just fluctuate between 120-122kg, lowest weight last dieting phase was 115kg so I'm not excessively fat either

 

[madg]

Been running 18-20 ius for a while (half a 36iu vial but HPLC @ 40ius) and for the last week been checking my blood sugars before every meal and 3 hours after each meal. Readings been good post prandial for my first 3 meals post workout (4-6nmol), but meals 4-5 glucose would stay high at 8-10 until the following day.

Been splitting the GH into 5 doses daily, just pin with every meal. But I'm going to try half pre workout and then half before bed (about 12 hrs apart) and keep the same diet, see if that has any effect on my numbers.

Those who do pin "before bed" is this literally before going to sleep which would probably be 2-3 hours after your last meal or do you just take it with your pre bed meal?

Im not your size but i play with gh 20 years

I have found that if i do majority of carbs post wo and shoot all dose 2 hour after before going to bed my bg readings not move at all

 

[Eddie.]

Why would IGF #s on bloodwork be meaningless?

Maybe because the most accurate way to measure IGF is by doing a muscle biopsy but this can't be done to a living human, or at least it shouldn't haha. These last couple years i'm into this stuff i've seen a wide range of IGF numbers and while there are guys hitting 700-800+ with 4-5IUs they don't have a significant growth from that while others like Chase Irons taking 18IUs of seros had a IGF below 200 but his growth was immense. That alone shows how deceiving this test can be.

Also IGF is a multifactoral thing, how much protein you eat, calorie deficit or surplas, how healthy your liver is, how much estradiol do you have etc, all these thing affect IGF as well.

 

[M@NU]

Yeah hopefully this works for me cause I can't see where else I'm going wrong. Cal intake isn't excessive for my bodyweight. Around 45cal/kg right now. No fats either. Long acting insulin and short acting with all meals. 5 days training per week 2-2.5 hour sessions, rest days lower cal/carbs. I've never been able to consistently get my BGL stable throughout the entire day unless I'm in prep or starving myself. Bodyweight has held stable for over a month now, I just fluctuate between 120-122kg, lowest weight last dieting phase was 115kg so I'm not excessively fat either

i know this board is no big fan of lantus in moderate dosages, but in my opinion it is quite helpful if you go high on hgh.
on medium/high carb days, 20iu lantus in the morning. maximum of 4 days a week.
Still use Humalog pre/post or pre+post (or whatever you feel fine with) with your largest carb meals.

 

[Swifto]

4iu per day, Pharma Grade Growtropin from South Korea company DONGA A ST.

 

[Black Beard]

4iu per day, Pharma Grade Growtropin from South Korea company DONGA A ST.

Glad you finally got the GH to work. Just took time to adjust or a brand thing?

 

[Black Beard]

I have been on 3IU/daily for 5 months. I look better, sleep better and experience a general sense of well being in exchange for colder hands (winter here in NE) and slightly lower energy (makes me feel quite relaxed). 2 questions:
Is there a benefit to cycling off? I'm having trouble even reducing to 2IU/day.
Is GH supplementation in fact not correlated with life extension? Anti-aging dos not in fact equal a lower mortality rate. It may keep us feeling better but not necessarily for longer. I just listened to someone make the case that exogenous growth at replacement levels is in fact taxing on your body, potentially reducing life span.

There are two types of "anti aging". Life extension (Living longer) and actually staying young. (Cognition, mood, body composition, sex drive/erections, skin health etc). GH helps with the latter.


As you get older, memory goes down, mood goes down, energy, fat increases, muscles shrink, wrinkles develop, erections/circulation decrease. You can link most of these things to decline in HGH production.

 

[Swifto]

Glad you finally got the GH to work. Just took time to adjust or a brand thing?

Took time to adjust, but there is more lethargy from generic when compared to Pharma at the same dose for me.

Overall, I feel the best on Genotropin and will be going back to it after the Growtropin is done.

 

[madg]

Took time to adjust, but there is more lethargy from generic when compared to Pharma at the same dose for me.

Overall, I feel the best on Genotropin and will be going back to it after the Growtropin is done.

I loved saizen click easy and humatrope by far my 2 favorite

 

[TheOtherOne55]

Yeah hopefully this works for me cause I can't see where else I'm going wrong. Cal intake isn't excessive for my bodyweight. Around 45cal/kg right now. No fats either. Long acting insulin and short acting with all meals. 5 days training per week 2-2.5 hour sessions, rest days lower cal/carbs. I've never been able to consistently get my BGL stable throughout the entire day unless I'm in prep or starving myself. Bodyweight has held stable for over a month now, I just fluctuate between 120-122kg, lowest weight last dieting phase was 115kg so I'm not excessively fat either

I’m assuming you are on some dose of Lantus (I am), but If post prandial is becoming an issue you gotta go all pre-bed. I’ve seen it with numerous big guys, myself included. The multiple times a day shots work but they willll cause constant ups and downs and keep us more UP than down, blood sugar wise. If im splitting 20+iu up multiple times a day, im good for the first couple meals but my the last couples meals of the day I can’t get below 140. Regardless of how much spacing between my meals. All pre-bed, literally pre-bed, not pre last meal, has helped big time for me.

Also, and I talked about this in another thread, any midday shot above like 6iu NEEDS insulin in order to uptake any carbs. Basically any shot above like 5-6iu severely limits your body’s ability to uptake glucose. So that meal becomes somewhat of a waste. At 8-10iu, it’s even worse. So it’s either small shots during the day OR insulin with it OR take it all pre bed. To me, and other big guys, I’ve found pre bed just the best way.

 

[Black Beard]

Took time to adjust, but there is more lethargy from generic when compared to Pharma at the same dose for me.

Overall, I feel the best on Genotropin and will be going back to it after the Growtropin is done.

Good shit, didn't want ol' Swifto missing out on the holy grail of Gee-Haych.

 

[thomasvaslar]

hi guys!

I have a question because I am complex,I want take GH before workout,but I have to do and insulin.what do first insulin or GH ?after how much time do GH?