What’s Your Go To Bulking Cycle?

[neutrino]

I like that. whats the timing on the slin and whats the carb intake pre intra post ......

Keep in mind I use novalin r so it lasts a lot longer than what I would like.

pin ~1.5 to 2 hrs before workout
start eating ~1hr after pin

Pre: 60g cream of rice (=45g carb) + 20g whey
Intra: 30g dextrose (~28g carb) + 20g whey + 10g EAAs
Post meal 1 (right after workout): 90g (uncooked weight/0.5 cup) rice (=70g carb) + 150g (uncooked weight) chicken breast
Post meal 2 (about 1-2 hrs after post meal 1): 90g (uncooked weight/0.5 cup) rice (=70g carb) + 150g (uncooked weight) chicken breast

I am considering shifting things around and throw an extra chicken and rice meal in before my preworkout meal (preworkout meal is the first meal of the day for me following 1hr fasted cardio early in the AM)

 

[luki7788]

Keep in mind I use novalin r so it lasts a lot longer than what I would like.

pin ~1.5 to 2 hrs before workout
start eating ~1hr after pin

Pre: 60g cream of rice (=45g carb) + 20g whey
Intra: 30g dextrose (~28g carb) + 20g whey + 10g EAAs
Post meal 1 (right after workout): 90g (uncooked weight/0.5 cup) rice (=70g carb) + 150g (uncooked weight) chicken breast
Post meal 2 (about 1-2 hrs after post meal 1): 90g (uncooked weight/0.5 cup) rice (=70g carb) + 150g (uncooked weight) chicken breast

I am considering shifting things around and throw an extra chicken and rice meal in before my preworkout meal (preworkout meal is the first meal of the day for me following 1hr fasted cardio early in the AM)

You think too complicated, bro.
Novalin R is perfect if you want cover pre and intra/post training window.
I would just eat normal pre workout meal, then use 15 IU insulin, like 1.5–2 hours before training. You can inject before or during meal — not big difference.
I make intra shake during training, with maybe 20–40g carbs (depends how you feel), and EAA.
Before go gym, like 1–1.5 hour after meal, I eat some small extra carbs — like rice cakes with jam or quick shake. ~20g carbs.

After training — no need small meal, then another meal after 1 hour. That is old-school stuff. It not help for recovery or blood sugar.
Just eat one solid post workout meal: high carbs, high protein, low fat.
Pre workout meal — balanced: good protein, good carbs, small to medium fat (like 10–15g added).
Intra + pre can be 2 small shakes, or 1 shake and 1 light food meal.

Simple. No need complicate.

 

[KingOfSushi]

You think too complicated, bro.
Novalin R is perfect if you want cover pre and intra/post training window.
I would just eat normal pre workout meal, then use 15 IU insulin, like 1.5–2 hours before training. You can inject before or during meal — not big difference.
I make intra shake during training, with maybe 20–40g carbs (depends how you feel), and EAA.
Before go gym, like 1–1.5 hour after meal, I eat some small extra carbs — like rice cakes with jam or quick shake. ~20g carbs.

After training — no need small meal, then another meal after 1 hour. That is old-school stuff. It not help for recovery or blood sugar.
Just eat one solid post workout meal: high carbs, high protein, low fat.
Pre workout meal — balanced: good protein, good carbs, small to medium fat (like 10–15g added).
Intra + pre can be 2 small shakes, or 1 shake and 1 light food meal.

Simple. No need complicate.

Not to mention, can IM the R if you want it to be faster

 

[luki7788]

Not to mention, can IM the R if you want it to be faster

Honestly? It won't work like that in practice.

 

[neutrino]

You think too complicated, bro.
Novalin R is perfect if you want cover pre and intra/post training window.
I would just eat normal pre workout meal, then use 15 IU insulin, like 1.5–2 hours before training. You can inject before or during meal — not big difference.
I make intra shake during training, with maybe 20–40g carbs (depends how you feel), and EAA.
Before go gym, like 1–1.5 hour after meal, I eat some small extra carbs — like rice cakes with jam or quick shake. ~20g carbs.

After training — no need small meal, then another meal after 1 hour. That is old-school stuff. It not help for recovery or blood sugar.
Just eat one solid post workout meal: high carbs, high protein, low fat.
Pre workout meal — balanced: good protein, good carbs, small to medium fat (like 10–15g added).
Intra + pre can be 2 small shakes, or 1 shake and 1 light food meal.

Simple. No need complicate.

Not complicated on purpose - this is how I have done it for the past few years. Once I find something that works I stick with it until it stops working. Tried 15iu earlier this week and went super hypo with the same amount of carbs....and it kicked in a lot quicker. When weight stabilizes I am going to try experimenting with a bit more carbs and increase insulin.

 

[KingOfSushi]

Honestly? It won't work like that in practice.

It does for me personally, and many I know

Either way though, I’d opt for your approach you outlined

 

[luki7788]

It does for me personally, and many I know

Either way though, I’d opt for your approach you outlined

According to this theory, Humalog/Novorapid administered intramuscularly should work as quickly as Fiasp, but that's not the case at all. Personally, I don't notice any difference between IM and SubQ.

Of course, I'm not arguing with you, but it's quite possible that it's also because I've always had a very low body fat percentage and virtually no subcutaneous fat, so it might affect me differently than it does for people with a higher body fat percentage.

 

[luki7788]

Not complicated on purpose - this is how I have done it for the past few years. Once I find something that works I stick with it until it stops working. Tried 15iu earlier this week and went super hypo with the same amount of carbs....and it kicked in a lot quicker. When weight stabilizes I am going to try experimenting with a bit more carbs and increase insulin.

15 IU was an example dose, not the dose I propose for you - we determine the doses individually - it's about the protocol itself

 

[neutrino]

15 IU was an example dose, not the dose I propose for you - we determine the doses individually - it's about the protocol itself

Idk man. I guess "eat, shake with workout, eat, eat again" is a complicated set of tasks for some. Makes perfect sense and works fine for me.

 

[specter]

According to this theory, Humalog/Novorapid administered intramuscularly should work as quickly as Fiasp, but that's not the case at all. Personally, I don't notice any difference between IM and SubQ.

Of course, I'm not arguing with you, but it's quite possible that it's also because I've always had a very low body fat percentage and virtually no subcutaneous fat, so it might affect me differently than it does for people with a higher body fat percentage.

yeah i think its your low BF, because for me personally there is a real big difference between IM and SubQ.

 

[Josefein421]

Idk man. I guess "eat, shake with workout, eat, eat again" is a complicated set of tasks for some. Makes perfect sense and works fine for me.

Perhaps he means more redundant/unnecessary than complicated.

I mean if I can get the same results from pre/intra/post vs pre1/pre2/intra/post1/post2 that does seem simpler but if you’re comfy with it and it ain’t broke…

 

[neutrino]

Perhaps he means more redundant/unnecessary than complicated.

I mean if I can get the same results from pre/intra/post vs pre1/pre2/intra/post1/post2 that does seem simpler but if you’re comfy with it and it ain’t broke…

I get it. For me specifically - I have a crazy appetite year round (insulin or not). I could have less meals that are bigger, but I get hungry every couple of hours and when I do, the world turns dark and I cannot function lol

 

[Massive G]

This was for me I think?

I can take a higher bolus dose of 10-12 when it's needed at post workout and mitigate sides.

With this I can easily run 12iu, get full, round, and lean with no excess water, CTS symptoms or other issues.

Preach it brother. So many people suffering from sides from taking GH a couple times a day ED. Body isn't set up to react well to even blood levels of GH.

 

[KingOfSushi]

According to this theory, Humalog/Novorapid administered intramuscularly should work as quickly as Fiasp, but that's not the case at all. Personally, I don't notice any difference between IM and SubQ.

Of course, I'm not arguing with you, but it's quite possible that it's also because I've always had a very low body fat percentage and virtually no subcutaneous fat, so it might affect me differently than it does for people with a higher body fat percentage.

For me personally it works faster even when very lean, but funny enough like you said I’ve noticed there to be NO DIFFERENCE with humalog IM. My guess there is that humalog is already so fast acting that the difference isn’t notable the way it is with a regular insulin like humulin/novolin r. Always pinning the same spot too (forearms).

So perhaps just that % increase in peaking is just more noticeable with something like a regular than it is with log that is already taking action relatively fast.

Have you ever tried R IM yourself? Or no since access to it over there would be too much effort

Of course too I should not, I’m not saying it’ll work exactly like log or anything. Factors like bloodflow to the area for example still come into play.

 

[Massive G]

For me personally it works faster even when very lean, but funny enough like you said I’ve noticed there to be NO DIFFERENCE with humalog IM. My guess there is that humalog is already so fast acting that the difference isn’t notable the way it is with a regular insulin like humulin/novolin r. Always pinning the same spot too (forearms).

So perhaps just that % increase in peaking is just more noticeable with something like a regular than it is with log that is already taking action relatively fast.

Have you ever tried R IM yourself? Or no since access to it over there would be too much effort

Of course too I should not, I’m not saying it’ll work exactly like log or anything. Factors like bloodflow to the area for example still come into play.

What gauge needle do you use for IM?

 

[Spiro]

Test, EQ, masteron, 6-10 ius of GH, synthetine 200-600 daily (year round).
Start lean, stay relatively lean.

K.I.S.S.

What your peak dosages for each compound in offseason, do you titrate up or start from week 1 at peak dose?

 

[b-boy]

What your peak dosages for each compound in offseason, do you titrate up or start from week 1 at peak dose?

Peak bodybuilding Brad? 1 gram of test, 600 eq, 400-600 masteron. I start and stay at those dosages, no titration up, the only thing I'm titration up is calories.

 

[fisther69]

Just food

 

[massephase]

This was for me I think?

I can take a higher bolus dose of 10-12 when it's needed at post workout and mitigate sides.

With this I can easily run 12iu, get full, round, and lean with no excess water, CTS symptoms or other issues.

I recently split my dose and noticed an increase in side effects too. The question I have now is whether that means that it is also more effective in a split dose ... what is your experience? Maybe everything above a certain bolus amount is pretty much wasted? Interested to hear you thoughts

 

[hawkmoon]

I recently split my dose and noticed an increase in side effects too. The question I have now is whether that means that it is also more effective in a split dose ... what is your experience? Maybe everything above a certain bolus amount is pretty much wasted? Interested to hear you thoughts

There probably is an upper limit to how much the body can effectively use in a single bolus, but in my opinion it’s closer to 20 IU than the 12 IU I typically run. Beyond that, the liver likely can’t keep up with IGF-1 production—especially without complementary insulin use.

As for side effects, I usually don’t get them beyond some mild edema at the very start after a long break. This current run is my longest ever, about three months straight. Before that, I mostly used GH in prep phases, with earlier experiments lasting around six weeks.

I don't equate side with effectiveness (and I'm not suggesting you do, but the question is there).
For me, side effects might indicate that—for whatever reason—your body isn’t able to make efficient use of the compound or its dosage.