What’s your usual t3 dose and cycle length?

[beast405]

What do you guys normally run t3 at and what’s your cycle length for cutting ? I normally just do 25mcg while cutting. Just interested to see what you other fellas do.

 

[Fleezy]

@Type-IIx

at what dose do you personally believe T3 to become catabolic - even in the presence of aas?


as for answering the thread, i never go above 37.5mcg

 

[3BILLS]

@Type-IIx

at what dose do you personally believe T3 to become catabolic - even in the presence of aas?


as for answering the thread, i never go above 37.5mcg

I believe he recommends 50mcg but for no more then 2 weeks

 

[Fleezy]

@luki7788's post from june 2020

https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/t3-advice.165273/post-2852547

"Blood tests are the answer. 50mcg is definitely too high a dose, not to mention 150 .... unless you want to get rid of muscles - so t3 eats muscles, it doesn't work selectively and "pulls" kcal from everything from both fat and muscle tissue. Personally, I never leave over 37.5mcg. Take blood tests and keep t3 in the upper normal range but not above."

followed by @b-boy

"50mcg is my UPPER level.

I start at 25, then 30, then 35 then 40 then 45 them max out at 50.

In the past I have went as high as 100 and it was not a good look for me, flat and stringy looking and hard to fill out."

 

[beast405]

@luki7788's post from june 2020

https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/t3-advice.165273/post-2852547

"Blood tests are the answer. 50mcg is definitely too high a dose, not to mention 150 .... unless you want to get rid of muscles - so t3 eats muscles, it doesn't work selectively and "pulls" kcal from everything from both fat and muscle tissue. Personally, I never leave over 37.5mcg. Take blood tests and keep t3 in the upper normal range but not above."

followed by @b-boy

"50mcg is my UPPER level.

I start at 25, then 30, then 35 then 40 then 45 them max out at 50.

In the past I have went as high as 100 and it was not a good look for me, flat and stringy looking and hard to fill out."

Thanks for the post man

 

[KillerStack]

There's this study where they gave people T3 at 50mcg and had them lay down completely immobile for many weeks to cause catabolism. One group got 200mg testosterone a week and they didn't go catabolic, they gained 2kg of lbm! So you'd think it wouldn't be catabolic at that dosage if you're on say 2g of gear plus insulin and GH and high protein etc.
I remember on this forum a couple of decades ago there was at least one dude who did 1mcg per pound of BW and thought it was in fact anabolic. So if 250lbs you'd take 250mcg! Just saying, I wouldn't try it, could end up in the morgue. Nasser claimed Palumbo was on 12 Cytomel all the time, but you know Nasser, full of BS a lot of times but who knows. Palumbo was close to contest lean on his McDonalds diet.

 

[Fleezy]

There's this study where they gave people T3 at 50mcg and had them lay down completely immobile for many weeks to cause catabolism. One group got 200mg testosterone a week and they didn't go catabolic, they gained 2kg of lbm! So you'd think it wouldn't be catabolic at that dosage if you're on say 2g of gear plus insulin and GH and high protein etc.

got a link?

Nasser claimed Palumbo was on 12 Cytomel all the time

cytomel is typically dosed at 5mcg from the pharmacy

 

[mslmn]

There's this study where they gave people T3 at 50mcg and had them lay down completely immobile for many weeks to cause catabolism. One group got 200mg testosterone a week and they didn't go catabolic, they gained 2kg of lbm! So you'd think it wouldn't be catabolic at that dosage if you're on say 2g of gear plus insulin and GH and high protein etc.
I remember on this forum a couple of decades ago there was at least one dude who did 1mcg per pound of BW and thought it was in fact anabolic. So if 250lbs you'd take 250mcg! Just saying, I wouldn't try it, could end up in the morgue. Nasser claimed Palumbo was on 12 Cytomel all the time, but you know Nasser, full of BS a lot of times but who knows. Palumbo was close to contest lean on his McDonalds diet.

Wasn't it clen that your thinking about? I believe it was BigKiwi that worked up to 300+ mcgs., more or less. I don't recollect anyone doing extreme T3.

 

[beast405]

got a link?


cytomel is typically dosed at 5mcg from the pharmacy

I don’t know about that. I guess it depends where. Mine is 25mcg

 

[qbkilla]

I've personally never used it before. Always calories, cardio, ephedrine to get and stay lean. When I began on forums around 2002 it was said that t3 was catabolic and shouldn't be used unless you are very advanced. Also that it could f up your natural thryiod. Not saying either is true but this scared me off.

Recently got some labs and my thyroid ranges are a bit off and I do feel more lethargic as I get older so will be talking to the Endo to see if I actually need some to be normal.

Anyway, good topic always interested to hear what people here say about thyroid and how we can use it

 

[phoenix2]

T3 can make you flat if you overdo it, especially on a low carbs diet. But if you are on a decent dose of AAS and eat plenty of proteins, you won't "lose muscle".
Signs that you are overdoing: feeling flat, weak, no pump, low energies and tiredness (yes it can make feel you tired and unanable to sleep at the same time).
I've never seen any greater advantage in fat loss running T3. For me ephedrine, yohimbine and caffeine are more efficacious.
I think it has a better place when you run high/decent amount of HGH for long enough, in combo with T4 (tiroxine).

 

[Fleezy]

going to be lowering my dose from 37.5mcg to 25mcg per day

seems like the weight (fat) is falling off too quickly - in combination with everything else im doing, and i still have about 7 weeks left in my cut

 

[KillerStack]

got a link?


cytomel is typically dosed at 5mcg from the pharmacy

I remembered it as a longer study but it was only 28 days.

Testosterone Administration Preserves Protein Balance But Not Muscle Strength during 28 Days of Bed Rest1

Decrements in muscle strength as a result of prolonged bed rest are well defined, but little is known about potential countermeasures for preventing loss of str

academic.oup.com

Nasser was talking about the 25mcg tablets because that's what bodybuilders always referred to. But it was Nasser. He told Aceto he himself took 50 tabs a day lol.

 

[KillerStack]

Wasn't it clen that your thinking about? I believe it was BigKiwi that worked up to 300+ mcgs., more or less. I don't recollect anyone doing extreme T3.

300mcg of Clen is "nothing," they have studied it in humans at double that or more.

Holy shit, I found it with a first search lol.

https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/ravers-t-3-article.1329/

 

[Fleezy]

300mcg of Clen is "nothing," they have studied it in humans at double that or more.

Holy shit, I found it with a first search lol.

https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/ravers-t-3-article.1329/

"Weigh yourself. For every pound, use 1mcg of T-3. If you weigh 180, and you look fat, use 175mcg of T-3. If you weigh 250, and you look fat, use 250mcg of T-3. Round the dosage down to the nearest 25mcg, and stack Clenbuterol at 5-12 tabs a day for 6 weeks. Follow a CKD diet, such as Body Opus or Animalobolics, do 15-20 minutes of Cardio for the first 3 weeks, and watch the fat shed."

wow.. truly awful advice

 

[Mufasa123]

I've done 50mcg, never noticed any catabolism. Same at 75mcg though I don't run it that high anymore. Modest doses of anabolics a number times maybe 1g max. My experience anyway.

 

[cage99]

"Weigh yourself. For every pound, use 1mcg of T-3. If you weigh 180, and you look fat, use 175mcg of T-3. If you weigh 250, and you look fat, use 250mcg of T-3. Round the dosage down to the nearest 25mcg, and stack Clenbuterol at 5-12 tabs a day for 6 weeks. Follow a CKD diet, such as Body Opus or Animalobolics, do 15-20 minutes of Cardio for the first 3 weeks, and watch the fat shed."

wow.. truly awful advice

Where did this lil gem of advice appear from???

Cage

 

[Fleezy]

Where did this lil gem of advice appear from???

Cage

it's in the first post of the link that @KillerStack posted


to save anyone some time:


"This is one of my favorite articles. Here is what I have of it. I thought it would be a nice addition

Cytomel (Mexican Cynomel) Synthetic T-3 amd Clenbuterol Stacking - A Quick Weight Loss Solution
This is to be a far from scientific article, one based, rather, in practical experience in losing weight and helping others to lose weight. We are not, on the average, concerned with obese individuals, but those who have packed on an additional 12-25 pounds beyond what was expected in a traditional steroid cycle, and the weeks beyond.

Not all of us will gain this type of weight during a cycle, but those of us who use a high protein / high calorie diet in conjunction with heavy weight lifting, accompanied by a medium to high dosed androgenic (i.e., Dianabol, Testosterone, Trenbolone (Finaplix or Component T-H)) steroid cycle, will almost always pack on an additional 6-20 pounds of pure lard. Granted that Burger King, Hooters, and Papadeux are not on the traditional bodybuilders menu, many of us are either forced, or by personal inclination, choose to indulge in calorie/fat bombs in order to provide the necessary building blocks for muscle.
Who, after all, can subsist on 3-5 protein shakes a day? I certainly can't, and from what I've seen of the advice on the boards, a Whopper or 2 every other day seems to be the prescribed regimen for gaining LBM - the prized Lean Body Mass.
Let's look at that paradigm for a moment - LBM. Sure and granted, we all seek this Holy Grail of Bodybuilding, but too many novices and mid-level bodybuilders alike sacrifice gaining pure muscle mass, in favor of gaining 2-6 pounds of LBM with a $400 - $1100 steriod cycle - all because they want to stay lean.
I might be wrong (it's been known to happen, albeit once a year or so), but if I'm going to invest that kind of dough, I want to see some by God muscle appear. In order to build the kind of muscle I expect from a cycle, I need to consume 4000 - 6000 calories a day, depending upon what I'm doing (Touch Football, Softball, or Indoor Soccer season). Those calories don't ALL go towards LBM, many (sometimes too many) go towards pure lard.
Don't get me wrong, the intensity you apply in the gym does, in fact, burn some serious fat, while at the same time channeling blood, nutrients, and the cherished PUMP to your muscles. However, if you intend to gain serious mass, and here I give kudos to the WarPig, you'll bulk and bloat.
Damnit, the bloat. We don't want to look like Beachballs, we want to look like Footballs - tight, tapered, lean in all the right places. How to eat the necessary calories, the necessary protein, the absolutely essential, energy giving Carbohydrates, without the dreaded bloat?

Here's where the first application of T-3 comes in. I won't quote any studies (there are few), but from personal experience, and the experience of those amatuer and mid-level bodybuilders I've helped, a 25-50mcg dosage of T-3, per day, will help to reduce bloating and water retention, while at the same time enhancing the effect of whatever steriod (androgenic or anabolic) the user chooses. It won't, by any means, keep the mass from piling on, but it will eliminate the dreaded moon face and the hideous stomach bloat.

The second application of T-3 is intended to quickly reduce the blubber produced by a serious mass cycle, and ALWAYS, always includes Clenbuterol. Say, for example, you've done a Raver Cycle - 2g Test, 600mg Deca, and 50-75mg Dbol a day, for 12 weeks. You've devoured 3 Cornish Game Hens at a meal, wolfed down a double Whopper with cheese, but no Mayo every other day, and forced yourself to eat spaghetti with meatballs, cottage cheese, herb-seasoned chicken breasts, pork tenderloins, meatloaf, oatmeal, grits, and eggs, eggs, eggs, tuna tuna tuna, along with 2-3 daily protein shakes.
Trust me - you're fat. You look big as shit in the mirror, but you have no abs, no separation, and no definition. The remedy?
Weigh yourself. For every pound, use 1mcg of T-3. If you weigh 180, and you look fat, use 175mcg of T-3. If you weigh 250, and you look fat, use 250mcg of T-3. Round the dosage down to the nearest 25mcg, and stack Clenbuterol at 5-12 tabs a day for 6 weeks. Follow a CKD diet, such as Body Opus or Animalobolics, do 15-20 minutes of Cardio for the first 3 weeks, and watch the fat shed.

T-3 by itself produces sweat like there's no tomorrow - you'll have wet spots under your arms, under your pecs, in the crack of your ass, and, on your forehead. You might get the shakes.
T-3, stacked with Clenbuterol, will give you all of the above mentioned sweats, along with the shakes...your hands, your legs (stairs are really a bitch), and your neck, on occasion. If you have a job like mine, where the shakes are undesirable, use a potassium supplement or eat 2-3 bananas a day, it will alleviate them.

In summary, T-3 has two uses - eliminating bloat and water retention during a cycle, and rapid weight loss after a cycle. One of the things to remember while using this drug is that it DOES NOT DISCRIMINATE between LBM and pure fat - it eats tissue, period. I used T-3 exactly twice before figuring out that it should never be used without at least 400mg of Testosterone, preferably, in dieting mode, Propionate. A post cycle regimen of 1mcg T-3 per pound of bodyweight, along with Clenbuterol and a 50-100mg / day dosage of Test Prop, will work absolute wonders.
And now, for the Raver challenge (the third in 14 months) - If anyone - ANYONE can produce scientific, verifiable evidence that synthetic T-3 (Cytomel, Cynomel) causes thyroid shutdown in humans after prolonged, high dose use - I'll send them $100. A major medical journal, a study by a top 10 ranked pharmaceutical firm, or verifiable results of a personal medical evaluation (verifiable via documentation and confirmation by the physician) are acceptable. Barring that, let's not hear any further argument about the horrible side effects of T-3"


in fairness, it's over 20 years old

but still funny to see people suggesting that it's good advice and a solid plan

 

[Hyperemia]

I recently started running 37.5 mcg indefinitely and have so much more energy daily. On a cut I’ll run 50 mcg for 4-6 weeks

 

[Fleezy]

I remembered it as a longer study but it was only 28 days.

Testosterone Administration Preserves Protein Balance But Not Muscle Strength during 28 Days of Bed Rest1

Decrements in muscle strength as a result of prolonged bed rest are well defined, but little is known about potential countermeasures for preventing loss of str

academic.oup.com

Nasser was talking about the 25mcg tablets because that's what bodybuilders always referred to. But it was Nasser. He told Aceto he himself took 50 tabs a day lol.

those test subjects most likely did not have supraphysiological levels of muscle to lose.


more difficult to catabolize lean tissue if there isn't an excess amount of it, I reckon