what do you guys think?

[lucian]

my friend is going to do the jr nats. and the masters nats. now here is the kicker....he had a heart attack last year. he now has a leaky hear valve he takes beta blockers for. the doc told him NOT to use gear anymore. he has a young son whom needs him. he says"800mg of test, some decca, winny and 2iu of gh a day isnt that much." compared to what he used before. now the doc said straight to him 12 iu of gh daily may be the cause of the heart attack. not to mention the nonstop use of 800mg of test year round. he is in his mid 40's. he has never had any hear problems before the long use of all his gear.
he says he wont mess w insulin but i dont believe him. last year he passed out in the gym and @ the hotel the day of weigh ins for the masters nats. had baaaad blood sugar problems from the gh use. there were signs of heart problems but he ignored them. i just keep remembering big anthoney darezzo. the docs told him not to compets he ddnt listen and he died at the show the night before. im just not getting trough to him and neither is anyone else. i fear he may end his days on earth doing this. what do you guys think and what advice do you have?
thank you
god bless
lucian

 

[Jarconis]

some people you cant help

 

[annie78]

my friend is going to do the jr nats. and the masters nats. now here is the kicker....he had a heart attack last year. he now has a leaky hear valve he takes beta blockers for. the doc told him NOT to use gear anymore. he has a young son whom needs him. he says"800mg of test, some decca, winny and 2iu of gh a day isnt that much." compared to what he used before. now the doc said straight to him 12 iu of gh daily may be the cause of the heart attack. not to mention the nonstop use of 800mg of test year round. he is in his mid 40's. he has never had any hear problems before the long use of all his gear.
he says he wont mess w insulin but i dont believe him. last year he passed out in the gym and @ the hotel the day of weigh ins for the masters nats. had baaaad blood sugar problems from the gh use. there were signs of heart problems but he ignored them. i just keep remembering big anthoney darezzo. the docs told him not to compets he ddnt listen and he died at the show the night before. im just not getting trough to him and neither is anyone else. i fear he may end his days on earth doing this. what do you guys think and what advice do you have?
thank you
god bless
lucian

Try to stop him please......his son need him...
Try again and again.....
I can not-I gave up
He want to comp.again...2 more show at least

 

[lucian]

i have discussed it with him a few times. he doesnt get it. the way he has been acting lately it seems like he knows he may not have much time left here and he is just not telling us. he is like that. very private. he has been acting real strange and making bad decisions in all aspects of his life. a few of us are trying but....i do not think there is anything we can do just like anthoney. anthoney was my friend. Rhode Island is small and he was one of the first people to help me when i was 18 yr old. he was so nice. he is a legend up there in little R.I. and everyone misses him. he was the bigges and strongest guy around but we all knew him for his big heart and gentle demenor. im gonna keep trying but i feel in my heart it is too late. he is a middle wt who even if he won his class.....so what!?!? if he gets his pro card.....so what!!! at 5'6" he will never compete as a pro, so wy risk life and limb for it? i love bbing but i wont risk my life nor hurt my family and friends for it.
god bless
lucian

 

[lucian]

Try to stop him please......his son need him...
Try again and again.....
I can not-I gave up
He want to comp.again...2 more show at least

im tying....and i will continue. i dont want hm to hurt himself.
no of us do, but something is wrong with him. im not sure what it is.
god bless
lucian

 

[lucian]

some people you cant help

this is what is scary. sometimes we get so wrapped up we cont see the big picture. we need to rely on people close to us to help keep us grounded.
god bless
lucian

 

[thundergod]

I did CPR on a competitor at the 2006 masters nationals. He too had heart problems and went against his doctors wishes from what his friends said. Not worth it.

 

[annie78]

im tying....and i will continue. i dont want hm to hurt himself.
no of us do, but something is wrong with him. im not sure what it is.
god bless
lucian

Thank you..thank you
He gave up years ago of a lot of money and good job because of his son...
he have to do it now too.
we have to use his son to stop him....
Something is going on with him....
Thank you..you are a good friend..
Thank youuuuuu..
even he hurt me I still care about him and his son....
Thanks

 

[lucian]

I did CPR on a competitor at the 2006 masters nationals. He too had heart problems and went against his doctors wishes from what his friends said. Not worth it.

it may have been anthoney. he was i his hotel a few rooms down from dave pulchinella. i think palumbo was with him. he looked great nobody had a clue what was about to happen.
god bless
lucian

 

[thebrick]

You have to keep trying and keep trying to talk some sense into this guy. If something happens to him you won't forgive yourself if you don't.

 

[muscledoc1]

Or at least make sure he doesnt touch any of the diuretics-could hurt him REAL bad.now as far as the heart attack goes(i would like to state my opinion on this as i work in the cardiology field as an echo-tech),i would seriously doubt that the GH had anything to do with it(unless he is diabetic)-but im pretty sure its the high doses of steroids that lead into coronary-blockage due to an increase in cholesterol-so my point is he needs to understand that he HAS to be monitored with blood work often as well as routine EKG'S.

 

[lucian]

he was using diuretics like dyazide every sunday while not competing so he could have a cheat day and still look good. many of the guys who use large doses of gh for long peiods of time do have enlarged hearts. at this point who knows if he is diabetic from all the slin and gh use. somethings not right. monitored or not this is a dangerous situation. bbers dont always listen to the voice of reason cuz many of them think the know better. well sometimes....they dont.
god bless
lucian

 

[annie78]

this is what is scary. sometimes we get so wrapped up we cont see the big picture. we need to rely on people close to us to help keep us grounded.
god bless
lucian

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[Sesshomaru]

some people you cant help

Werd. He knows full well what hes doing and is not taking any advice.