What ever happend to Elliott Dermond ?

[aDw32]

I guess kind of related but would it be pretty common for coaches to drop people with ongoing health issues?

If you’re telling someone what to take, then they fall over and die because of health issues or maybe they were taking too much and/or other stuff, couldn’t that come become a liability of sorts? Or do they usually sign some kind of waiver as part of the agreement?

@luki7788 described this multiple times, and i agree with him. High doses of androgens, mood swings, problems with clear thinking, and an ego higher than the Burj Khalifa are what cause this kind of behavior. It's impossible to talk about emotional stability, prudence, or common sense here. Of course, we can't lump everyone together, as that would be unfair, but I believe this is a widespread problem. Especially considering most people started to mask their complexes, meaning they were inherently susceptible from the beginning

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

@IFBBProDomCardone weren’t u coaching him before he backed out of his last national level show?

But yes, coach hopper but crazyyyy physique. I’m sure he kinda makes more than some pros right now just doing social media shit.

Yes last year...wound up with blood clots in his lungs and rhabdo. Told me 1/8th of the truth of what he was taking initially when I found some clues. Had to let him go as wasnt a one time incident either. Left off cordially intially but then decided to bash me behind my back

He was getting ready for USAs this year with Phil Viz, got rhabdo again, as he told people via text (didnt even tell phil viz he went to the hospital)

I hope for his own sake he stays away from the stage. The absolute worst thing that can happen for him is him getting his pro card. Its not if something happens, its when. Needs true pysch help as the issues go far beyond bodybuilding and drugs, and I dont say that as a dig either. I fear the worst for him

 

[specter]

Yes last year...wound up with blood clots in his lungs and rhabdo. Told me 1/8th of the truth of what he was taking initially when I found some clues. Had to let him go as wasnt a one time incident either. Left off cordially intially but then decided to bash me behind my back

He was getting ready for USAs this year with Phil Viz, got rhabdo again, as he told people via text (didnt even tell phil viz he went to the hospital)

I hope for his own sake he stays away from the stage. The absolute worst thing that can happen for him is him getting his pro card. Its not if something happens, its when. Needs true pysch help as the issues go far beyond bodybuilding and drugs, and I dont say that as a dig either. I fear the worst for him

Damn that is sad, hope he gets the help he needs before he ends up in a box.

 

[dantes]

Yes last year...wound up with blood clots in his lungs and rhabdo. Told me 1/8th of the truth of what he was taking initially when I found some clues. Had to let him go as wasnt a one time incident either. Left off cordially intially but then decided to bash me behind my back

He was getting ready for USAs this year with Phil Viz, got rhabdo again, as he told people via text (didnt even tell phil viz he went to the hospital)

I hope for his own sake he stays away from the stage. The absolute worst thing that can happen for him is him getting his pro card. Its not if something happens, its when. Needs true pysch help as the issues go far beyond bodybuilding and drugs, and I dont say that as a dig either. I fear the worst for him

How does he continue to get rhabdo? Does he overtrain to the extreme or something? You would think the feedback he was getting from his body would tell him to ease up as rhabdo requires extreme overtraining to occur in someone like him

 

[pistonpump]

How does he continue to get rhabdo? Does he overtrain to the extreme or something? You would think the feedback he was getting from his body would tell him to ease up as rhabdo requires extreme overtraining to occur in someone like him

Prob a culmination of all the substances he's doing and stress to his organs

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

How does he continue to get rhabdo? Does he overtrain to the extreme or something? You would think the feedback he was getting from his body would tell him to ease up as rhabdo requires extreme overtraining to occur in someone like him

Well rhabdo has become way too common since 2020 in bodybuilders, which has to do something with the remnants of damage from the virus....before you never ever heard of it in bodybuilders

In his case? Im sure the massive abuse of energy drinks, clen, ephedrine- which was publicly stated...plus training etc and other "items"- played their part

 

[kadafi2]

I wonder what Joseph did in 3 years to mutate like that... I don't think anyone has made such an impression on me this year, maybe except Keone and Shaun.

 

[rhinozt47]

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I wonder what Joseph did in 3 years to mutate like that... I don't think anyone has made such an impression on me this year, maybe except Keone and Shaun.

He never missed a workout, never missed a meal, took some steroids and his genetics rewarded him for his efforts.

 

[traininsane11]

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I wonder what Joseph did in 3 years to mutate like that... I don't think anyone has made such an impression on me this year, maybe except Keone and Shaun.

A story as old as time

Pic on the left whilst it would take maaaany of us probably 10 years of blasting the hell out of every aspect to look like that that was probably his “yeah I just hit the gym with my bro’s a few times a week then we go get pizza” look after 12 months

Someone said “you should try bodybuilding”

3 years later and probably running half the dosages we do

Ta-da

Thanks mum ‘n dad

 

[kadafi2]

A story as old as time

Pic on the left whilst it would take maaaany of us probably 10 years of blasting the hell out of every aspect to look like that that was probably his “yeah I just hit the gym with my bro’s a few times a week then we go get pizza” look after 12 months

Someone said “you should try bodybuilding”

3 years later and probably running half the dosages we do

Ta-da

Thanks mum ‘n dad

I remember you writing in Aikman's—incidentally—brilliant thread about training that it doesn't really matter how we train, and genetics will ultimately dictate our abilities. That stuck with me, and I'm afraid you're probably right.

Yes, I know, this thread is more about equipment than training, but I had to mention it.

 

[traininsane11]

I remember you writing in Aikman's—incidentally—brilliant thread about training that it doesn't really matter how we train, and genetics will ultimately dictate our abilities. That stuck with me, and I'm afraid you're probably right.

Yes, I know, this thread is more about equipment than training, but I had to mention it.

Sadly true and this is a perfect example

I have what I would say are slightly above average genetics (Joe above has elite)

I achieved this in 18 months (which isn’t a brag at all there’s mannnny who could shit all over this) during that time I must of changed my training 20 times and didn’t stick to anything longer than 5 minutes until about the last 20 weeks

So yeah I’d say all the nuances we get into about training is highly irrelevant

 

[Elvis755]

Sadly true and this is a perfect example

I have what I would say are slightly above average genetics (Joe above has elite)

I achieved this in 18 months (which isn’t a brag at all there’s mannnny who could shit all over this) during that time I must of changed my training 20 times and didn’t stick to anything longer than 5 minutes until about the last 20 weeks

So yeah I’d say all the nuances we get into about training is highly irrelevant

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That’s wild man, I need to pick a new hobby lol

 

[traininsane11]

That’s wild man, I need to pick a new hobby lol

Haha thanks bro but you have an incredibly good physique and something few of us have which is a great structure to. You fully maxed out with muscle will be on another level

And I feel the exact same way when I see these pro’s make insane transformations and then say things like “and then I finally started taking it seriously”

 

[gains4000]

Elliot was going to coach me but he ended up ghosting me which was strange because we were getting along and nothing seemed off.

Talking to him, he knows a lot about Bodybuilding. You know he definitely knows a lot about pharmacology based on what we talked about and I thought he had health issues because of other circumstances because he was telling me he wasn’t using a lot of gear and I’m naïve and I just trust people so I guess I was wrong.

 

[Elvis755]

Haha thanks bro but you have an incredibly good physique and something few of us have which is a great structure to. You fully maxed out with muscle will be on another level

And I feel the exact same way when I see these pro’s make insane transformations and then say things like “and then I finally started taking it seriously”

Lmao this is why I log off Instagram frequently. I helped a kid from my local gym do his first two natural shows which I wanted to strangle him the entire time because he just would not stop cheating on his diet. But when he followed it within two weeks he changed so dramatically it looked like he had thrown in clen and winstrol. We were sitting in the hotel before the second show and he told me he had a major mindset shift Tuesday and locked in. I told him do not tell anyone that back stage. I held all the food in my room so he couldn’t binge and he walked out the next day and easily won. Genetics are very real.

 

[Aikman56]

A story as old as time

Pic on the left whilst it would take maaaany of us probably 10 years of blasting the hell out of every aspect to look like that that was probably his “yeah I just hit the gym with my bro’s a few times a week then we go get pizza” look after 12 months

Someone said “you should try bodybuilding”

3 years later and probably running half the dosages we do

Ta-da

Thanks mum ‘n dad

Tale as old as time…

Damn him and everyone like him.

 

[traininsane11]

Lmao this is why I log off Instagram frequently. I helped a kid from my local gym do his first two natural shows which I wanted to strangle him the entire time because he just would not stop cheating on his diet. But when he followed it within two weeks he changed so dramatically it looked like he had thrown in clen and winstrol. We were sitting in the hotel before the second show and he told me he had a major mindset shift Tuesday and locked in. I told him do not tell anyone that back stage. I held all the food in my room so he couldn’t binge and he walked out the next day and easily won. Genetics are very real.

Ohh man yeah I stay off there for that exact reason constantly exposed to genetic elites and it’s depressing

Damn I hate that these people exist and just pray they don’t do any of the same shows I pick !

 

[dantes]

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I wonder what Joseph did in 3 years to mutate like that... I don't think anyone has made such an impression on me this year, maybe except Keone and Shaun.

Joe’s waist actually isn’t to wide when he started but boy it sure has grown with him. If he can keep that waist and obliques under control he will be an absolute freak on the Olympia stage

 

[Swifto]

Ohh man yeah I stay off there for that exact reason constantly exposed to genetic elites and it’s depressing

Damn I hate that these people exist and just pray they don’t do any of the same shows I pick !

Do the same show as JP?

 

[dantes]

Well rhabdo has become way too common since 2020 in bodybuilders, which has to do something with the remnants of damage from the virus....before you never ever heard of it in bodybuilders

In his case? Im sure the massive abuse of energy drinks, clen, ephedrine- which was publicly stated...plus training etc and other "items"- played their part

Could be the virus or maybe something related to the virus… I will say no more