What happened to just using test?

[Voxide]

Because certain people like taking drugs just for the sake of taking drugs, honestly. We already know that Test and Dbol are the main staples for actual protein anabolism, yet idiots still seem hellbent on trying out shit like Trestolone and methyl-tren liquid thinking it's the secret, risking getting a completely bunk product and wasting money in the process. It's just laziness. If the exotic garbage actually worked well and gave you a bang for your buck, you'd see coaches putting people on these left and right. McCarver wasn't doing anything other than Test and Tren when he kicked the bucket. Just food for thought.

 

[roasthawg]

Personally, I love Test. I mostly run it year round with no other compounds. Very interested in running it past 2 grams

What do you run it at? How big have you been able to get on just test?

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[MightyJohn]

Moderate test 400-600...sprinkle of Mast E 200ish(during the summer)

Great well being, sex drive, look etc

 

[1bigmofo]

i’ve always run straight test during the year. keeps me full, energized, strong and allows me a little edge in the gym, plus it helps with libido. i usually would add tren 3 times a year. however, since getting older i have removed the tren and switched to mast. but am now switching to DHB. You cant help but love the synergistic effect of stacking two compounds together that work so well with one another. i dont like orals and do a bit of AI when test is 400 or above.

 

[lph]

To the original poster.

I do run TRT at low dose. I am definitely on the older side. I workout only as a hobby, sometimes a lot, sometimes sporadically.

The reason I add other stuff is for injury recovery. iMVHO, some of the other stuff you mentioned does help with injury recovery.

 

[LATS]

Can a person run test only and be fine ? Yes.. Most likely.. But as we know there will be a ever increasing need to raise the dosage a bit for continuous gains.., but with that we will need a AI.. don't kid yourself you will have severely elevated ESTRo that will need addressing.. And don't say " yeah but I don't have any sides and I'm not bloated" ., this does not mean that ESTRO is not dangerously out of whack.. Everyone is different in regards to how they feel sides.. But trust your ESTRo will be elevated beyond a proper test/ estro ratio.. With adding a AI comes other sides.. Now compound that to DHT conversation etc and we will have sides..

The other option is to keep test low to avoid any more estro and dht conversion issues and add other compounds that don't add to the problem.. Or are more anabolic than Androgenic.. So maybe eq... Maybe primo.. I like NPP.. Oral turinabol.. In other words compounds that have a lower conversion rate of estro or dht but are still highly anabolic...

Prime example .. Say a person stays at 350 mgs of test.. But want to up the cycle a bit.. Woukd he be better to double the test and then have to add a AI and possibly have elevated BP ect.. Or jyst add something to add to the anaboluc ratio of the cycle.. Say 300 or 400 of primo? Or EQ ( for those who don't suffer anxiety on Eq) .. I personally would feel better physically just adding primo to the test.. It will up the anabolic ratio and I would feel great physically and mentally.. And Id still be able to add some lean tissue. With no AI added or bloat...

Now I know plenty of guys over the years that have done nothing but test and did ok.. But I know plenty more who have decided to keep test low and up the more anabolic compounds and they look and feel great.. We have to remember that many of the anabolics were designed to eliminate the sides of testosterone.. So the argument that test is best because the body recognizes it better may be moot.. With more test comes more issues from the test.. Some of these Anabolics were developed to eliminate those... So which is better?

It will be a very individual thing.. Some can use huge amounts of test and have no issues.. But again when using things like AROMASIN be careful.. There are numerous sides that can rare their ugly head... Many are finding bone loss even when e2 is in decent range with these compounds.. So it may very well be the compound and not the drop in estro causing the bone loss...

So that is why I add to my low test dose other compounds.. I feel better and don't have to add numerous things to fight off numerous things.. But no one knows how test effects you without blood work... Until then it's all guess work..

 

[Bigpump9]

200 mg prop a week and I feel like Superman

 

[joos23]

Can a person run test only and be fine ? Yes.. Most likely.. But as we know there will be a ever increasing need to raise the dosage a bit for continuous gains.., but with that we will need a AI.. don't kid yourself you will have severely elevated ESTRo that will need addressing.. And don't say " yeah but I don't have any sides and I'm not bloated" ., this does not mean that ESTRO is not dangerously out of whack.. Everyone is different in regards to how they feel sides.. But trust your ESTRo will be elevated beyond a proper test/ estro ratio.. With adding a AI comes other sides.. Now compound that to DHT conversation etc and we will have sides..

The other option is to keep test low to avoid any more estro and dht conversion issues and add other compounds that don't add to the problem.. Or are more anabolic than Androgenic.. So maybe eq... Maybe primo.. I like NPP.. Oral turinabol.. In other words compounds that have a lower conversion rate of estro or dht but are still highly anabolic...

Prime example .. Say a person stays at 350 mgs of test.. But want to up the cycle a bit.. Woukd he be better to double the test and then have to add a AI and possibly have elevated BP ect.. Or jyst add something to add to the anaboluc ratio of the cycle.. Say 300 or 400 of primo? Or EQ ( for those who don't suffer anxiety on Eq) .. I personally would feel better physically just adding primo to the test.. It will up the anabolic ratio and I would feel great physically and mentally.. And Id still be able to add some lean tissue. With no AI added or bloat...

Now I know plenty of guys over the years that have done nothing but test and did ok.. But I know plenty more who have decided to keep test low and up the more anabolic compounds and they look and feel great.. We have to remember that many of the anabolics were designed to eliminate the sides of testosterone.. So the argument that test is best because the body recognizes it better may be moot.. With more test comes more issues from the test.. Some of these Anabolics were developed to eliminate those... So which is better?

It will be a very individual thing.. Some can use huge amounts of test and have no issues.. But again when using things like AROMASIN be careful.. There are numerous sides that can rare their ugly head... Many are finding bone loss even when e2 is in decent range with these compounds.. So it may very well be the compound and not the drop in estro causing the bone loss...

So that is why I add to my low test dose other compounds.. I feel better and don't have to add numerous things to fight off numerous things.. But no one knows how test effects you without blood work... Until then it's all guess work..

I think next cycle I may try low test and higher anabolics. I may try 250-300 test and 900mg eq

 

[Fullblown]

name a steroid that enhances cognition lol

Modafinil

 

[nothuman]

High dose test is the only thing that ever gives me erection issues sometimes since it's difficult to balance my estrogen level properly. Also raises my hematocrit quickly. I much prefer low dose tren (which wasn't show to be damaging in rats short term)

 

[pahlevan]

Not talking about anyone competing or doing photoshoots, I get that.

But I'm mid-30's on 200mg TRT, been looking either bump it up or start blasting and cruising again as I feel good but I want a little edge.

Last time I cycled was like 2004 or around there, I've only done Test, NPP and EQ. Even that was a lot though, my dad would just blast and cruise Test E. 200/500, nothing else. he did this for a good chunk of mid 40's to late 50's.

I'm so overwhelmed, it's like everyones on 200 test/400deca/400 masteron/anavar/hgh....... and half these people are just doing it as a hobby.

Not knocking it, I'm all for it actually. But I'm curious if any one here just keeps it simple and sticks to blasting and cruising test. Obviously you'd hit a ceiling, but you'd be what, a good 10-15 solid, lean lbs above your normal weight after a couple of cycles, which could then be maintained indefinitely.

For me it's just the simplicity. I already know my quirks on test, I basically require more AI than most but aside from that I dial in perfectly. Throw in donating some blood regularly and it seems like the safest bet. As appealing as all the other stuff is, at my age it's just not even worth worrying about more side effects than I need to.

Test blasted/cruised, AI dialed in, 1000iu HCG/weekly, Cialis daily, and maybe some Caber and Proviron thrown in for extra fun in bed.

That's kind of what I'm thinking. Seems super simple and it seems like everything in there is designed to be a feel-good, libido boosting compound as well.

Have you seen these guys in their 40's and 50s that look puffy and and have red faces? These guys are generally taking higher doses of test.
I dont see the usage of Caber for Test, best option is Anastrozole. Maybe some Letro as a backup.
Save your money on HCG, once your higher that TRT. The Proviron is not bad but you'll see more out of it if your lean. It does help with libido and has some AI qualities.
Here is my $0.02 on Test only. To keep the water an bloat to a min try 50 mg a day of Test Prop. See how that works and go from there. Beyond that maybe some orals like Anavar. You can take it for up to 10 weeks or do 4 weeks on 2 weeks off etc.. I preload 29g slin pins for the week and take the shots daily, super easy.
Other than that you can experiment and see what works for you.

 

[little slice]

Have you seen these guys in their 40's and 50s that look puffy and and have red faces? These guys are generally taking higher doses of test.

Lol.. While ignoring their ridiculous blood pressure and insanely high crit, then yeah

 

[TheOtherOne55]

Modafinil

Modaf is not a steroid. Please stop.


Any this thread is sloowwwly turning into a "everyone's body works very differently."
I myself, love test. I can handle large amounts of it. I look thick and large on it. But...like nonhuman says, I have more libido/ED issues with high test than I do with low test.
It's hard for me to find that perfect range. But for straight size, lots of test + 1 moderately dosed anabolic and people stop me to say i'm huge.

Low test + higher dosed other compound. I look crisp if that makes any sense. Not watery. Dry yet full.
I personally like the test look more. The sheer size thing is more impressive to me than the dry guy look. Eventually, when you get advanced enough, you can get both.
But im not there yet.

 

[biglizard225]

Just testosterone year around with a very controlled disciplined diet can yield some extremely impressive results.

The quality of your results are dependent upon your consistency with diet training and the quality of your response

I love test lol. I've done it for a good while. And it will always be my favorite in terms of something I can take and not have issues with BP and all the other bull shit side effects that other supps cause

 

[Fullblown]

Everyone reacts differently to dosages, timelines, products, esters, etc. Its finding what works best for you. Test only? Sure go for it.

Personally, I like the combo of Test, Tren E, EQ, and usually Var kickstart for the first 4 weeks, and some DNP at the end of the cycle.

 

[Cinder]

Can a person run test only and be fine ? Yes.. Most likely.. But as we know there will be a ever increasing need to raise the dosage a bit for continuous gains.., but with that we will need a AI.. don't kid yourself you will have severely elevated ESTRo that will need addressing.. And don't say " yeah but I don't have any sides and I'm not bloated" ., this does not mean that ESTRO is not dangerously out of whack.. Everyone is different in regards to how they feel sides.. But trust your ESTRo will be elevated beyond a proper test/ estro ratio.. With adding a AI comes other sides.. Now compound that to DHT conversation etc and we will have sides..

The other option is to keep test low to avoid any more estro and dht conversion issues and add other compounds that don't add to the problem.. Or are more anabolic than Androgenic.. So maybe eq... Maybe primo.. I like NPP.. Oral turinabol.. In other words compounds that have a lower conversion rate of estro or dht but are still highly anabolic...

Prime example .. Say a person stays at 350 mgs of test.. But want to up the cycle a bit.. Woukd he be better to double the test and then have to add a AI and possibly have elevated BP ect.. Or jyst add something to add to the anaboluc ratio of the cycle.. Say 300 or 400 of primo? Or EQ ( for those who don't suffer anxiety on Eq) .. I personally would feel better physically just adding primo to the test.. It will up the anabolic ratio and I would feel great physically and mentally.. And Id still be able to add some lean tissue. With no AI added or bloat...

Now I know plenty of guys over the years that have done nothing but test and did ok.. But I know plenty more who have decided to keep test low and up the more anabolic compounds and they look and feel great.. We have to remember that many of the anabolics were designed to eliminate the sides of testosterone.. So the argument that test is best because the body recognizes it better may be moot.. With more test comes more issues from the test.. Some of these Anabolics were developed to eliminate those... So which is better?

It will be a very individual thing.. Some can use huge amounts of test and have no issues.. But again when using things like AROMASIN be careful.. There are numerous sides that can rare their ugly head... Many are finding bone loss even when e2 is in decent range with these compounds.. So it may very well be the compound and not the drop in estro causing the bone loss...

So that is why I add to my low test dose other compounds.. I feel better and don't have to add numerous things to fight off numerous things.. But no one knows how test effects you without blood work... Until then it's all guess work..

Okay...
Someone just decided the rest of my life.
I'm gonna do this from now on.

 

[Cinder]

Can a person run test only and be fine ? Yes.. Most likely.. But as we know there will be a ever increasing need to raise the dosage a bit for continuous gains.., but with that we will need a AI.. don't kid yourself you will have severely elevated ESTRo that will need addressing.. And don't say " yeah but I don't have any sides and I'm not bloated" ., this does not mean that ESTRO is not dangerously out of whack.. Everyone is different in regards to how they feel sides.. But trust your ESTRo will be elevated beyond a proper test/ estro ratio.. With adding a AI comes other sides.. Now compound that to DHT conversation etc and we will have sides..

The other option is to keep test low to avoid any more estro and dht conversion issues and add other compounds that don't add to the problem.. Or are more anabolic than Androgenic.. So maybe eq... Maybe primo.. I like NPP.. Oral turinabol.. In other words compounds that have a lower conversion rate of estro or dht but are still highly anabolic...

Prime example .. Say a person stays at 350 mgs of test.. But want to up the cycle a bit.. Woukd he be better to double the test and then have to add a AI and possibly have elevated BP ect.. Or jyst add something to add to the anaboluc ratio of the cycle.. Say 300 or 400 of primo? Or EQ ( for those who don't suffer anxiety on Eq) .. I personally would feel better physically just adding primo to the test.. It will up the anabolic ratio and I would feel great physically and mentally.. And Id still be able to add some lean tissue. With no AI added or bloat...

Now I know plenty of guys over the years that have done nothing but test and did ok.. But I know plenty more who have decided to keep test low and up the more anabolic compounds and they look and feel great.. We have to remember that many of the anabolics were designed to eliminate the sides of testosterone.. So the argument that test is best because the body recognizes it better may be moot.. With more test comes more issues from the test.. Some of these Anabolics were developed to eliminate those... So which is better?

It will be a very individual thing.. Some can use huge amounts of test and have no issues.. But again when using things like AROMASIN be careful.. There are numerous sides that can rare their ugly head... Many are finding bone loss even when e2 is in decent range with these compounds.. So it may very well be the compound and not the drop in estro causing the bone loss...

So that is why I add to my low test dose other compounds.. I feel better and don't have to add numerous things to fight off numerous things.. But no one knows how test effects you without blood work... Until then it's all guess work..

But also...

19nors have a tendency to shut down the HPTA a lot harder than EQ, test, masteron etc.

 

[LATS]

But also...

19nors have a tendency to shut down the HPTA a lot harder than EQ, test, masteron etc.

Yes they do... but we are on supplemented test.. I'm never off test.. so if I'm " shut down" that's fine.. now if I were cycling on and off and were not doing trt in between then I'd be a bit more concerned with 19 nor hard shutdown of hpta

 

[theanticuck]

But again when using things like AROMASIN be careful.. There are numerous sides that can rare their ugly head... Many are finding bone loss even when e2 is in decent range with these compounds.. So it may very well be the compound and not the drop in estro causing the bone loss...

I would respectfully disagree with this point. It's very hard to crash your Estrogen levels on Exemestane (Aromasin) as long as you stay below 25mg per day. And there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that AIs have a direct effect of bone loss. However, androgens are known to downregulate Estrogen receptor signalling, so that one could make the argument that the T/E ratio should be held at a normal level. So if your test levels are 3x the upper normal, then estradiol should also be somewhat above the normal range.

 

[jeroendebleser]

LATS on a side note: when are the story times with LATS coming back? You always had great stories to tell, would be great if you'd start doing regular story times again!