What is, in your opinion, the best "supplement" in history?

[Mike Arnold]

Mike, No-Synthesize from VPX has "BIS PICOLINATO OXO VANADIUM (BPOV)"

How different is that from BMOV in terms of efficacy?

Just doing a quick google, it seems to be effective as an insulin mimetic, but I am not seeing much research in humans...

Orally active and long-term acting insulin-mimetic vanadyl complex:bis(picolinato)oxovanadium (IV). - PubMed - NCBI

A new halogenated antidiabetic vanadyl complex, bis(5-iodopicolinato)oxovanadium(IV): in vitro and in vivo insulinomimetic evaluations and metallok... - PubMed - NCBI

I wasn't talking about No Synthesize, but an older product that I don't think they make anymore. Regardless, you may be right in that it contained BPOV rather than BMOV. I don't really recall which form it was, as it was about 15 years ago now. Still, they are both very similar.

I don't believe BPOV has been studied in human as much as BMOV (bis maltolato oxovanadium) and BEOV (bis ethylmaltolato oxovanadium), both of which have been studied in humans quite a bit.

These, along with BPOV, are organic forms of vanadium, unlike vanadyl sulfate, which is inorganic. Inorganic forms tend to accumulate in body tissues (such as bone), while also being substantially more toxic and a fraction as effective.

BEOV and BMOV were both considered as potential prescription drugs, but BEOV won out and is currently in Phase II clinical trials. However, both are very similar in terms of effectiveness and safety, as they are almost the same compounds.

 

[flexdurden]

I wasn't talking about No Synthesize, but an older product that I don't think they make anymore. Regardless, you may be right in that it contained BPOV rather than BMOV. I don't really recall which form it was, as it was about 15 years ago now. Still, they are both very similar.



I don't believe BPOV has been studied in human as much as BMOV (bis maltolato oxovanadium) and BEOV (bis ethylmaltolato oxovanadium), both of which have been studied in humans quite a bit.



These, along with BPOV, are organic forms of vanadium, unlike vanadyl sulfate, which is inorganic. Inorganic forms tend to accumulate in body tissues (such as bone), while also being substantially more toxic and a fraction as effective.



BEOV and BMOV were both considered as potential prescription drugs, but BEOV won out and is currently in Phase II clinical trials. However, both are very similar in terms of effectiveness and safety, as they are almost the same compounds.

Good deal! Thanks for that info!

 

[Ashop]

I was talking to a couple of my clients tonight who were telling me all the various pills and powders and drinks and crap that they are taking. So I was thinking about all the various stuff that has come along in the last 20 years or so that I could remember that was supposed to change the face of bodybuilding.

I did a search and didnt see this topic anywhere so I thought I would toss it up for some of the old-heads like me that remember way back when.

Some were valuable (creatine), some were total junk (chromium picolinate)

So here are a few that I can remember that for a little while were considered superb supplements for building muscle and getting stronger. Some still are, others are/were junk.

Creatine Monohydrate (then Phosphagen HP came along)
Chromium Picolinate
Vanadyl Sulfate
DHEA
HMB

What do you guys remember or which one(s) is or are your favorite still?

Whey Isolate,,Creatine.

 

[TNH]

For those of you not noticing positive effects from oral curcumin, you have to give the inject a fair run. I ran oral curcumin for ages and felt it was a nice supp, but not a must have. Running the inject for one week and it was a night and day difference, and now I can't go without.

 

[nothuman]

Leucine is more of a staple to me than creatine honestly

 

[cobraforce]

Whey isolate has always provided great results and so has creatine monohydrate but without the whey, creatine would be useless

 

[Knight9]

Whey isolate has always provided great results and so has creatine monohydrate but without the whey, creatine would be useless

What????? [emoji15]

 

[LEX]

Whey isolate has always provided great results and so has creatine monohydrate but without the whey, creatine would be useless

Ok I have to hear this one..........

 

[NY Muscle]

Whey isolate has always provided great results and so has creatine monohydrate but without the whey, creatine would be useless

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[Sugashane]

Whey protein isolate by a mile.

For someone like me who can't force down a ton of food without it coming back up, it is a lifesaver. Mixing just one scoop with my water 3 times a day makes up a LOT of ground for me when I know I can't hold much more food down.

Now this is all said considering the "supplement" brands of Superdrol a few years back didn't count.

 

[jake deman]

Hot Stuff

The original "Hot Stuff"!

 

[JohnUSMC35]

1 Test by Nutrex, banned in 2005. Best shit I ever bought otc.

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[hurtin]

The original "Hot Stuff"!

Ditto for Hot Stuff! That shit worked.

 

[HimRoid]

Anadrol

 

[mister69]

Those of you taking monohydrate . Does it matter if it's creapure ?


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[muscle96ss]

Those of you taking monohydrate . Does it matter if it's creapure ?


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Probably not, but creapure is cheap enough that I don't any chances.

 

[mister69]

Probably not, but creapure is cheap enough that I don't any chances.

Thanks. I only used true nutrition products and so far the regular monohydrate has not been bothering me.




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[DORIAN*]

Whey isolate

SDrol before it was banned gave me the best results though.

 

[thomaspunkt]

The obvious is kreatin and whey but I'm a big fan of magnesium aswell. 1g before bed makes me sleep deep.

 

[ThinkTank]

Creatine - The shit works.

Ultimate Orange (Dan's forumlation)....That shit was like nothing else.