What OTC support supplements are you taking?

[Js118]

L citruline
L carnitine
Taurine
alpha lipoid acid
CLA
ashwaganda
D3 +k2
Turmeric
Fish oil
Lions Mane
ZMA
Magnesium threonate
I’m forgetting some I’m sure.

 

[aminofreak]

I stopped taking melatonin recently due to some claims that long term use is linked to higher heart failure risk.

Worth a read...

Long-term use of melatonin supplements linked to higher risk of heart failure and death

Long-term use of melatonin supplements, often used to promote sleep and address insomnia, was associated with a higher risk of heart failure diagnosis, heart failure hospitalization and death from any cause in chronic insomnia, according to a preliminary study to be presented at the American...

www.news-medical.net

 

[Stewie]

I stopped taking melatonin recently due to some claims that long term use is linked to higher heart failure risk.

Worth a read...

Long-term use of melatonin supplements linked to higher risk of heart failure and death

Long-term use of melatonin supplements, often used to promote sleep and address insomnia, was associated with a higher risk of heart failure diagnosis, heart failure hospitalization and death from any cause in chronic insomnia, according to a preliminary study to be presented at the American...

www.news-medical.net

25 years of consecutively taking melatonin. No heart failure here.

Look at the population base of individuals in that useless piece of paper and see what other comorbidities may be responsible.

The researchers also lacked information on the severity of insomnia and the presence of other psychiatric disorders.

"Worse insomnia, depression/anxiety or the use of other sleep-enhancing medicines might be linked to both melatonin use and heart risk," Nnadi said. "Also, while the association we found raises safety concerns about the widely used supplement, our study cannot prove a direct cause-and-effect relationship. This means more research is needed to test melatonin's safety for the heart.

 

[jray26]

Melatonin usually like 40 mins or so before bed. Not sure if that’s the best timing, just kind of winging it

I'm sure that's different for everybody. Just ride that train when you feel it.

 

[aminofreak]

25 years of consecutively taking melatonin. No heart failure here.

Look at the populations of individuals in that useless piece of paper and see what other comorbidities may be responsible.

Fair point.

 

[qbkilla]

25 years of consecutively taking melatonin. No heart failure here.

Look at the population base of individuals in that useless piece of paper and see what other comorbidities may be responsible.

Do you have any thoughts on melatonin dosages or people building a tolerance over time? I've upped my dosages, now at 40, still waking up at 4 am even with 2x thc cbn gummies, stack used to work like a charm. Will be adding magnesium.

 

[Duke309]

25 years of consecutively taking melatonin. No heart failure here.

Look at the population base of individuals in that useless piece of paper and see what other comorbidities may be responsible.

How do you get over the next day grogginess from the high doses you take? I tried to ramp up past 10mg and it just ended up making me so groggy the next day.

 

[ChickenRiceRepeat]

Do you have any thoughts on melatonin dosages or people building a tolerance over time? I've upped my dosages, now at 40, still waking up at 4 am even with 2x thc cbn gummies, stack used to work like a charm. Will be adding magnesium.

Did you just start waking up at 4am after becoming used to supplementing melatonin, or did you start taking melatonin after this issue appeared?

I ask because I started taking melatonin, up to 70mg nightly and it has been amazing, but after running tren at only 20 daily for 3 weeks recently, my sleep has been destroyed and I constantly wake up at 3am and am unable to go back to sleep. Isn’t as bad as it sounds as I wake up at 4-430 intentionally every morning anyways, but still.

I’m wondering if the short half life of melatonin is perhaps making early waking more likely. I’m debating trying a time release melatonin in combo with short acting.

I really don’t want to give up melatonin as it helps me fall asleep so easily, gives vivid dreams, and is basically the strongest anti oxidant around.

 

[qbkilla]

Did you just start waking up at 4am after becoming used to supplementing melatonin, or did you start taking melatonin after this issue appeared?

I ask because I started taking melatonin, up to 70mg nightly and it has been amazing, but after running tren at only 20 daily for 3 weeks recently, my sleep has been destroyed and I constantly wake up at 3am and am unable to go back to sleep. Isn’t as bad as it sounds as I wake up at 4-430 intentionally every morning anyways, but still.

I’m wondering if the short half life of melatonin is perhaps making early waking more likely. I’m debating trying a time release melatonin in combo with short acting.

I really don’t want to give up melatonin as it helps me fall asleep so easily, gives vivid dreams, and is basically the strongest anti oxidant around.

I've been using 2 thc/cbn gummies +30mg melatonin for a while it worked well. But for about 3 weeks I've been wakeup at 4 to piss and can't go back to sleep. So bumped up to 40mg no help. Imma add magnesium i read melatonin is more for falling asleep where mag is more for staying asleep.

 

[Brock456]

Yeah magnesium has been a massive help for sleep (the glycinate version)

I’d highly recommend it if you haven’t used it . It’s been great for me

Same.
Magnesium Glycinate 400-600mg before bed in combination with melatonin, saffron, and I just started using ashwaganda knocks me out.

 

[bbxtreme]

I recently pulled ALL of my supplements. I learned a few things:

1. I didn’t need 90% of the crap I was taking.

2. My digestion and GI has never been better.

The amount of stomach acid and stress all the supplement capsule breakdown was causing was just eye opening.

I then ran bloodwork to see what I actually needed.

Magnesium Glycinate- 400-600mg daily
Vitamin D3- 5000iu
CoQ10- 200mg daily (the OG mitochondrial support)

That’s it. More is not always better in this sport. And I say this as someone who made a thread on this and was taking endless things.

 

[madg]

Magnesium
Vit c
D3+k2
Coq10

No protein no pre wo no powder of any kind

 

[control]

I recently pulled ALL of my supplements. I learned a few things:

1. I didn’t need 90% of the crap I was taking.

2. My digestion and GI has never been better.

The amount of stomach acid and stress all the supplement capsule breakdown was causing was just eye opening.

I then ran bloodwork to see what I actually needed.

Magnesium Glycinate- 400-600mg daily
Vitamin D3- 5000iu
CoQ10- 200mg daily (the OG mitochondrial support)

That’s it. More is not always better in this sport. And I say this as someone who made a thread on this and was taking endless things.

Wow. Here I am thinking I'll die of a stroke if I forget to take my nattokinase...

 

[nothuman]

Multivitamin (including Vitamin D/K, B complex, magnesium, and the other usual stuff. Avoid cheap ingredients and mega doses of everything far above the DV)
Astaxanthin
GlyNAC
Lithium Orotate
Taurine
Creatine
Collagen (for skin)
Hyaluronic acid (also skin)
Ubiquinol
Nattokinase
Melatonin (0.3mg slow release replacement level dose)
DHEA
Pregnenolone

Then a few prescription drugs in addition.

 

[nothuman]

I stopped taking melatonin recently due to some claims that long term use is linked to higher heart failure risk.

Worth a read...

Long-term use of melatonin supplements linked to higher risk of heart failure and death

Long-term use of melatonin supplements, often used to promote sleep and address insomnia, was associated with a higher risk of heart failure diagnosis, heart failure hospitalization and death from any cause in chronic insomnia, according to a preliminary study to be presented at the American...

www.news-medical.net

I am sorry but this article was thoroughly debunked all over social media for a week straight. Don’t fall for flawed studies.

 

[nothuman]

I appreciate the input

Never knew that NAC and glycine would be synergistic. I’ll grab some more glycine tomorrow. I’ve used it before for sleep, and I think it was good, but there was too many variables to measure. I’ll definitely give it another try if you’re mentioning it. Haven’t heard of apigenin before though, I’ll definitely need to research that a bit.

Melatonin usually like 40 mins or so before bed. Not sure if that’s the best timing, just kind of winging it

Never really measured the prebiotics in food if I’m being honest. I feel like I get a decent amount, but whatever I lack there I think the supplements over account for. These are the ones I use. They have some overlap in function, so maybe overkill, but it’s worked well for digestion for me.
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The peptide version of ALCAR does interest me. Heard it’s very impressive for endurance and has some good fat loss benefits. I guess if the oral version has good bioavailability that might be a way easier alternative

Yes GlyNAC works wonders and people with impaired glutathione (older or people who aren’t healthy) at very high doses but it didn’t show many benefits in men in their 20s

Supplementing Glycine and N-Acetylcysteine (GlyNAC) in Older Adults Improves Glutathione Deficiency, Oxidative Stress, Mitochondrial Dysfunction, Inflammation, Physical Function, and Aging Hallmarks: A Randomized Clinical Trial - PubMed

GlyNAC supplementation in OA for 16-weeks was safe and well-tolerated. By combining the benefits of glycine, NAC and GSH, GlyNAC is an effective nutritional supplement that improves and reverses multiple age-associated abnormalities to promote health in aging humans. Clinical Trials Registration...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I’m using 2.4g of each (plus more glycine from collagen) even though I am not sure how useful it is for me since I am in a healthy state. It’s more preventative for me in all likelihood. That being said, both NAC and Glycine have benefits on their own so it’s worth it to me.

 

[BLKGUY2006]

Let’s see….
Ax & Sledge MRP
Opti-Men Multivitamin
2-3 additional milligrams grams vitamin C
Optimum Whey Protein
NOW Nutrition Fiber
Optimum Creatine 5mg

Pretty simple for me.

 

[bbxtreme]

Wow. Here I am thinking I'll die of a stroke if I forget to take my nattokinase...

If it was warranted based on my bloodwork I would take it. Same with Vitamin K, etc.

I think too many people are just blindly taking things without testing. No need to stress the body with more pills or substances than needed.

I should also clarify- I still use all my pre and intra workout items. I just cut out all capsules and pills while I assessed everything.

Another thing I see is people start taking a supplement to correct something and then just never come off of it. Same with RX’s. You can dig a hole really quick that way.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

@bbxtreme I cut all mine as well due to being a lazy ass. Turns out i need mine

 

[aminofreak]

I recently pulled ALL of my supplements. I learned a few things:

1. I didn’t need 90% of the crap I was taking.

2. My digestion and GI has never been better.

The amount of stomach acid and stress all the supplement capsule breakdown was causing was just eye opening.

I then ran bloodwork to see what I actually needed.

Magnesium Glycinate- 400-600mg daily
Vitamin D3- 5000iu
CoQ10- 200mg daily (the OG mitochondrial support)

That’s it. More is not always better in this sport. And I say this as someone who made a thread on this and was taking endless things.

No fish oil? Or are you getting omega 3s primarily from food sources?