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I grew up hunting , fishing and running trap lines. There were no kids to play with. We had well water which made for strong teeth as per my dentist. I barely keep wounds clean. I came in contact with city and country germs. Only had 1 infection in my life from when i got all my wisdom teeth pulled and some bacteria from the germy mouth lead to getting a headache. So i figured a brain infection should be avoided. So i got some antibiotics. I wash my hands after i take a dump but didn't as a kid. I figure my dick is clean so i don't worry about that. I missed 3 days of work in my life from being to sick. Retired 7 years ago. I got colds 1-2 times a year as a kid but i avoided anything plant like in those days other then potatoes and onions. My family is pretty hardy. As a kid we were taught to just suck it up. After living with a vegetarian for almost 10 years with me doing the cooking. My health immediately improved with the more veggies i ate.

Haha, sounds like me. Yeah I'll wash my hands after a shit but but washing hands before a meal just to do it? Never crosses my mind, covered in tattoos never did "aftercare " 0 infections, back in 2002 we didn't have spray bottles around the gym..we lifted then moved into the next equipment, etc. I used to work at a car dealership...those mechanics would pop right out of the stall get right back in the shop without looking at the sink, never called in sick but they were getting 10k steps by noon covered in grease. I definitely think on some level exposure to germs at a young age strengthens the immune system..we used to climb trees get covered in sap, roll down the hill, etc. The good old days, ate the same junk kids eat today cheetos, fruit roll ups, ice cream sandwiches but we moved and played outside.
 
Haha, sounds like me. Yeah I'll wash my hands after a shit but but washing hands before a meal just to do it? Never crosses my mind, covered in tattoos never did "aftercare " 0 infections, back in 2002 we didn't have spray bottles around the gym..we lifted then moved into the next equipment, etc. I used to work at a car dealership...those mechanics would pop right out of the stall get right back in the shop without looking at the sink, never called in sick but they were getting 10k steps by noon covered in grease. I definitely think on some level exposure to germs at a young age strengthens the immune system..we used to climb trees get covered in sap, roll down the hill, etc. The good old days, ate the same junk kids eat today cheetos, fruit roll ups, ice cream sandwiches but we moved and played outside.
I was at work once and a guy walked in eating a sandwich put it down on top of the urinal took a piss picked the sandwich up and finished eating it...... i am not as tough as him! And he didn't wash his hands.
If i thought my dick was germy i would never allow it to be placed in someone's mouth without soaking it in alcohol for 10 minutes.
Don't get me started on spray bottles and the such.
 
I was at work once and a guy walked in eating a sandwich put it down on top of the urinal took a piss picked the sandwich up and finished eating it...... i am not as tough as him! And he didn't wash his hands.
If i thought my dick was germy i would never allow it to be placed in someone's mouth without soaking it in alcohol for 10 minutes.
Don't get me started on spray bottles and the such.
I woulda called that SOB out right then and there, that is some disgusting shit

I think that tops the time I saw a butcher with blood covered nitrile gloves on eating chicken wings
 
A better thread would be if those who listed each supp gave their reason for taking each one, that would be helpful and interesting....
 
I woulda called that SOB out right then and there, that is some disgusting shit

I think that tops the time I saw a butcher with blood covered nitrile gloves on eating chicken wings
That would be how you ended up in HR for harassment at that company. If the guy complained. That was a managers domain. This was a very large aerospace company. There were rules to follow.

When managers would have to take an employee aside and tell them to shower of not come to work the next day as they would be sent home, since it had been a month since their last shower and they were a toxically smelling greaseball and a safety hazard it was harder to deal with. I pitied the managers then.

Trying to catch the guy repeatedly flushing double ended balck diidos down the toliet at $20k a pop to replace the pumps in the water sewage line was pretty funny other then all the steps i would have to make to walk to the next restroom.

Most of the stupidity i saw in my years working there just made me laugh. As i figured highly paid people should have a higher IQ then average. But i soon learned different.
Things like this happening at least every few months was not unheard of. And around strike time(unions) things could get a little crazy.
But i digress.
 
Methylene blue
Tudca 500mg
Citrus Bergamot
Astragalus
NAC
Krill oil
cod liver oil
Vit. E / K2
Creatine
Magnesium complex
Betaine HCL
Digestive enzymes
Mushroom coffee (lions mane a few others, L-theanine)

Careful with that mushroom coffee. If it is an instant coffee blend as instant coffee made my LDL get high. Coffee needs to be filtered for a reason
 
That would be how you ended up in HR for harassment at that company. If the guy complained. That was a managers domain. This was a very large aerospace company. There were rules to follow.

When managers would have to take an employee aside and tell them to shower of not come to work the next day as they would be sent home, since it had been a month since their last shower and they were a toxically smelling greaseball and a safety hazard it was harder to deal with. I pitied the managers then.

Trying to catch the guy repeatedly flushing double ended balck diidos down the toliet at $20k a pop to replace the pumps in the water sewage line was pretty funny other then all the steps i would have to make to walk to the next restroom.

Most of the stupidity i saw in my years working there just made me laugh. As i figured highly paid people should have a higher IQ then average. But i soon learned different.
Things like this happening at least every few months was not unheard of. And around strike time(unions) things could get a little crazy.
But i digress.
That was a wild post sir 😂
 
I was at work once and a guy walked in eating a sandwich put it down on top of the urinal took a piss picked the sandwich up and finished eating it...... i am not as tough as him! And he didn't wash his hands.
If i thought my dick was germy i would never allow it to be placed in someone's mouth without soaking it in alcohol for 10 minutes.
Don't get me started on spray bottles and the such.

Haha, funny and gross at the same time. Then we have people on the opposite end. I used to work with a girl who around 2020 was religious about wearing her mask, using hand sanitizer multiple times per day, id see her leaving the bathroom holding a towel so she didn't have to touch the germs on the handle. She was about 300lbs and would drink maintain dew. The equivalent of running a gram of tren but not working out.
 
Is there a full spectrum health supplement you guys would recommend in order to cut back on all the gel caps? Morphogen Nutrition comes to mind with some great health stacks but I want to see what you guys recommend
The reason youll never find this in principle is that youre going to want to take doses of supplements based on your needs, not the arbitrary dosage ratios decided by a company.

My magnesium and calcium needs for example, may be much different than yours. I may decide to double my fish oil dosages during an EQ run to assist a bit with HTC. There are many such examples.

This is also why I hate all blends of oils for gear and combo meds like a t3/t4 combo and would absolutely never use any pharma combo and do my best to avoid supplement combos except in niche situations with myself and clients.
 
The reason youll never find this in principle is that youre going to want to take doses of supplements based on your needs, not the arbitrary dosage ratios decided by a company.

My magnesium and calcium needs for example, may be much different than yours. I may decide to double my fish oil dosages during an EQ run to assist a bit with HTC. There are many such examples.

This is also why I hate all blends of oils for gear and combo meds like a t3/t4 combo and would absolutely never use any pharma combo and do my best to avoid supplement combos except in niche situations with myself and clients.
To play devils advocate, there’s some great blends by morphogen nutrition that really fit the bill or at least come close to it. I can see a full spectrum TUDCA/NAC/citrus bergamot/circumin/D3+K2 blend that would take work to make but it would be a great bodybuilding multi lol.

Theres a few more targeted stuff like magnesium that I would rather take on my own because I also have very high needs and no blend is doing 1g magnesium malate in their formula.

Also, Bitiron rocks. 25mcg T3/50mcg T4 blend. A pretty universal dose imo
 
Vitamin D3/K2
Liposomal Vitamin C
TUDCA
Taurine
Creatine
Glutamine
Zinc/Copper/Selenium
Magnesium Glycinate
Melatonin
 
When i look at most full spectrum products i see dosages that tend to be far lower the what studies show is what worked. That is a big reason to buy separately. The cost of a really good full spectrum product would dissuade most people from buying it.
 
The reason youll never find this in principle is that youre going to want to take doses of supplements based on your needs, not the arbitrary dosage ratios decided by a company.

My magnesium and calcium needs for example, may be much different than yours. I may decide to double my fish oil dosages during an EQ run to assist a bit with HTC. There are many such examples.

This is also why I hate all blends of oils for gear and combo meds like a t3/t4 combo and would absolutely never use any pharma combo and do my best to avoid supplement combos except in niche situations with myself and clients.
Man I thought i was the only one that hates seeing these aas blends lmao. I guess enough people buy them they still exist.
 
How do you get over the next day grogginess from the high doses you take? I tried to ramp up past 10mg and it just ended up making me so groggy the next day.
There's a lot of layers that need to be peeled back in order to determine a definitive cause-and-effect. A few things that come to mind would be the type of melatonin yoi are taking. Sublingual instant absorption, time released -sustained release or dual spectrum –instant mixed with sustained release? Timing matters with all of the above. If you are taking any of the sustained release, ideally you should take this 3-4 hours before bedtime. For sublingual, I would suggest at least an hour before your scheduled bedtime.

The idea of taking it up to several hours before your scheduled bedtime is to mimic your natural pulsatile secretion of endogenous melatonin. Taking it right at bedtime forces a phase shift on your gene clocks (BMAL1/CLOCK) that creates a mismatch between your brain and your peripheral tissues.


Another area that could be a potential reason is your specific microsomal isoenzyme– CYP1A2 gene variant. If you're a slow metabolizer of this particular isoenzyme, or if you consumed any caffeine several hours before bedtime, this can inhibit the clearance rate of melatonin. They both, caffeine and melatonin are metabolized by CYP1A2. Your endogenous estradiol levels can muddy melatonin secretion and clearance rate. In either case, if may be. If you're a slow metabolizer or competitive inhibition by caffeine or estradiol, this will keep that melatonin you took lingering around longer than it should. In which could give reasons why you're waking up groggy.

If you find time, cross reference every supplement and pharmaceuticals you're taking and see if there's competitive inhibition to CYP1A2.

Then there's this fancy little p-glycoprotein that interacts with melatonin. To put it simply, p-glycoprotein works in several different facets intracellularly. One of it's primary functions is to move (efflux) molecules out of a cell. Melatonin acts as an inhibitor of p-glycoprotein. If by chance you're taking some other pharmaceuticals or nutraceuticals that are sedatives that rely on p-glycoprotein clearance, melatonin just put the brakes on its clearance rate.

On a final note. There have been some melatonin manufacturers that inadvertently, either intentionally or improperly synthesized serotonin and sold it as melatonin. This will definitely screw your sleep patterns up. I highly recommend buying USP verified melatonin.
 
There's a lot of layers that need to be peeled back in order to determine a definitive cause-and-effect. A few things that come to mind would be the type of melatonin yoi are taking. Sublingual instant absorption, time released -sustained release or dual spectrum –instant mixed with sustained release? Timing matters with all of the above. If you are taking any of the sustained release, ideally you should take this 3-4 hours before bedtime. For sublingual, I would suggest at least an hour before your scheduled bedtime.

The idea of taking it up to several hours before your scheduled bedtime is to mimic your natural pulsatile secretion of endogenous melatonin. Taking it right at bedtime forces a phase shift on your gene clocks (BMAL1/CLOCK) that creates a mismatch between your brain and your peripheral tissues.


Another area that could be a potential reason is your specific microsomal isoenzyme– CYP1A2 gene variant. If you're a slow metabolizer of this particular isoenzyme, or if you consumed any caffeine several hours before bedtime, this can inhibit the clearance rate of melatonin. They both, caffeine and melatonin are metabolized by CYP1A2. Your endogenous estradiol levels can muddy melatonin secretion and clearance rate. In either case, if may be. If you're a slow metabolizer or competitive inhibition by caffeine or estradiol, this will keep that melatonin you took lingering around longer than it should. In which could give reasons why you're waking up groggy.

If you find time, cross reference every supplement and pharmaceuticals you're taking and see if there's competitive inhibition to CYP1A2.

Then there's this fancy little p-glycoprotein that interacts with melatonin. To put it simply, p-glycoprotein works in several different facets intracellularly. One of it's primary functions is to move (efflux) molecules out of a cell. Melatonin acts as an inhibitor of p-glycoprotein. If by chance you're taking some other pharmaceuticals or nutraceuticals that are sedatives that rely on p-glycoprotein clearance, melatonin just put the brakes on its clearance rate.

On a final note. There have been some melatonin manufacturers that inadvertently, either intentionally or improperly synthesized serotonin and sold it as melatonin. This will definitely screw your sleep patterns up. I highly recommend buying USP verified melatonin.
Excellent post, I am currently just using rapid release capsules from puritans pride (10mg each). I'm completely off caffeine, but I'll look into CYP1A2 impact from other supplements/drugs. The only "sedative" i take occasionally is 10mg of baclofen. I think I will look into USP verified sublingual melatonin instead of what I am using.
 
Vitamin D3
Liposomal Vitamin C
Ginger Root
Green Tea
Zinc Pollinate
Magnesium Glycinate
Potassium
Fish Oil
Taurine

L-Theanine
Ashwaganda
Holy Basil
Gingko Biloba
Noopept
Cognance (Bacopa)

BCAA/EAA
Creatine Mono
Psyllium Husk
Collagen Peptides

Of these, only the final selection starting with BCAAs includes things I've added in recently.
 
To play devils advocate, there’s some great blends by morphogen nutrition that really fit the bill or at least come close to it. I can see a full spectrum TUDCA/NAC/citrus bergamot/circumin/D3+K2 blend that would take work to make but it would be a great bodybuilding multi lol.

Theres a few more targeted stuff like magnesium that I would rather take on my own because I also have very high needs and no blend is doing 1g magnesium malate in their formula.

Also, Bitiron rocks. 25mcg T3/50mcg T4 blend. A pretty universal dose imo
I am always looking for a full spectrum product but I’m not particularly impressed with the ones I’ve seen.
 
To play devils advocate, there’s some great blends by morphogen nutrition that really fit the bill or at least come close to it. I can see a full spectrum TUDCA/NAC/citrus bergamot/circumin/D3+K2 blend that would take work to make but it would be a great bodybuilding multi lol.

Theres a few more targeted stuff like magnesium that I would rather take on my own because I also have very high needs and no blend is doing 1g magnesium malate in their formula.

Also, Bitiron rocks. 25mcg T3/50mcg T4 blend. A pretty universal dose imo
There's a reason that kind of multi you just described doesn't exist. You can't just throw shit together.

Leviathan Nutrition has IRE. I highly trust Will and his products and the way he does things.
 
D3+K2, Fish Oil (liquid), Ubiquinol, Curcumin with my first meal Then I have 1g of NAC on an empty stomach sometime in the late morning/afternoon.400mg of Magnesium Glycinate with my last solid meal before bed. I take 5g of creatine mono in a shake and use no dedicated pre workout, a can of C4 or Reign does it for me.

I'm about to run orals for a meet prep and will be adding Liv 52, TUDCA, and digestive enzymes. I may keep some of these as permanent additions to my permanent stack above.
 
Fasted:

50mg Iron (treating a deficiency)
500mg Vitamin C (Increase iron absorption)
40mg UC-II

AM:

Half dose of multivitamin (Life Extension)
600mg NAC
5,000mg D3 + 250mcg K2
2g EPA/DHA
200mg Ubiquinol
400mg BCM-95 Curcumin
5,000FU Nattokinese

PM:

Half dose of multivitamin (Life Extension)
600mg NAC
2g EPA/DHA
400mg BCM-95 Curcumin
5,000FU Nattokinese

Pre-Bed:

420mg Magnesium G
5g Glycine
500mcg Melatonin

Pre/Intra

10g Creatine
4g Taurine
 

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