What should i do now???

[Starkraven]

you could find most of whats going on with me now at the counselling forum.
im on 500mg tren e and feeling quite shitty now that i dropped the test because of the bloat. and funny thing is, some of it went away but i upped the tren to 500 from 375 and i can now see more bloat. the more gear the more bloat

NO MATTER WHAT GEAR, YOU WILL STILL HOLD WATER, THATS HOW THEY WORK.

Since i feel this way, i was thinking of lowering the TREN to 250mg and introducing test e again at 125-250mg per week BUT ONLY IF I GET BRAND NAME NOLVA/PROV BECAUSE MY ADEX DIDNT SEEM TO DO MUCH ON ME. BUT I KNOW NOLVA/PROV KEEPS ME DRY/HARD BECAUSE I USED IT BEFORE.

Or i can come off and just use HCG and forget all this stupid bullshit and do it naturally because im real annoyed. my diet is insanely hardcore, i do 45 min cardio 6 days a week, and train mon-fri. i look muscular a little but i can get this shit naturaly. i aint impressed with this tren shit, YOU GUYS ARE ALL TRIPPING ABOUT HOW YOU LOVE IT AND ALL. but i aint droppin much fat at all anymore, it stopped it seems. or the bloat is hiding it all. but i aint droppin NO 1% BF PER WEEK...how the fuck can you do that anyway? i'll be DAMNED if i can find out what diet/training/cardio can do that for me. REALLY.

so whats it going to be? 250 test/250 tren or 250 test? what are these really going to do for me that i cant do without it? if i still bloat on prov/nolva, im done with gear, i was always the fat kid and im not going to let the bloat fuck me over and piss me off. SORRY.

any input appreciated!

 

[Starkraven]

bump

 

[Jrflex10er]

you sure you didnt get ripped off? you sure its tren you're taking? Have you ever took tren before this? Are you on Anti-E's?

 

[knucklehed]

Natural may e a good option for you

give it a try
KH

 

[Coopie]

STARK -

Sorry to hear about your experiences. I have run TREN for the past five years (maybe 6) and I've always made it myself and I've always been very happy with the results. Just to give you an idea of how TREN makes me look - 750 test with 300 tren weekly gets me shredded to the bone (with a good diet and moderate cardio). I have never experienced any bloat from TREN. It even seems to limit my bloat under some circumstances - such as when I go over 1 gram test / week.

I recommend you do this:

1. Trash your TREN
2. Go online and buy FINAPLIX pellets
3. Buy a conversion kit
4. Spend 1 hour reading on how to convert then a few more hours converting
5. FINA and a standard kit will convert to 100 mg/ml and yield ~25 ml
6. Go with 100 mg EOD

If your diet is on order and you're training the right way you should have no problems! Depending on your experience, goals, etc. I'd say you can't go wrong with 500mg test and 300 TREN weekly.

My opinion... Hope it helps!

 

[flex]

STARK -

Sorry to hear about your experiences. I have run TREN for the past five years (maybe 6) and I've always made it myself and I've always been very happy with the results. Just to give you an idea of how TREN makes me look - 750 test with 300 tren weekly gets me shredded to the bone (with a good diet and moderate cardio). I have never experienced any bloat from TREN. It even seems to limit my bloat under some circumstances - such as when I go over 1 gram test / week.

I recommend you do this:

1. Trash your TREN
2. Go online and buy FINAPLIX pellets
3. Buy a conversion kit
4. Spend 1 hour reading on how to convert then a few more hours converting
5. FINA and a standard kit will convert to 100 mg/ml and yield ~25 ml
6. Go with 100 mg EOD

If your diet is on order and you're training the right way you should have no problems! Depending on your experience, goals, etc. I'd say you can't go wrong with 500mg test and 300 TREN weekly.

My opinion... Hope it helps!

i agree thats great advice.you may also try taking some bromo.

 

[Starkraven]

omg LOL! guys my tren is real. im more muscular, vascular, pumped, actually ive never been this muscular this lean. i am posting because without test i feel like shit, im bloated a little from it and because my fat loss is slow. and i would like to burn 1% bf per week. it seems to have built muscle on me which is cool but i want to get shredded to the bone. im on no anti-e's.

other than that, its safe to say by now MID week 7, its real.

 

[Starkraven]

oh yeah i used tren a before, i made it before twice but the mental issues after week 3 made me stop. i was using testolent with it at 700 per week!! with proviron and nolva and t3--NO BLOAT. long esters bloat me or its because i am not on prov/nolv which is probably what i need to look hard even if i go back on 250mg test which i want to. (i was using adex but i now know adex doesnt do much for bloat for me--I AM NOT GYNO PRONE AT ALL. I CAN USE 100mg test suspension with no anti-e and not get gyno)

 

[Skip]

The advice was out there but you didn't heed it. You never run ANYTHING without test. So, to answer your question, hell yes, get the test back in and learn to manage the bloat. You sound as if it can't be managed but I asssure you that you just haven't figured out yet what is best for you.

Skip

 

[Conan21]

bro

it really seems like your really turning into a whiner. There is no reason a person should not be able to drop fat to look lean and muscular. Contest shape is something totally different, but anyone should be able to get lean looking so just do it and quite bitching.

you think your dieting good but your not. losing fat isn't just about eating clean you have to eat less. go high protein/hight fats.....and do low carbs. and make the carbs all oatmeal,brown rice, etc. and hit some cardio post-workout. don't say ur doing that cuz if u eat good and eat less ur gonna loose fat unless ur genetic junk which in that case you should give up on this whole thing cuz its just going to be too hard to maintain/accomplish.

Clen and ECA works awesome for losing fat.

also, what are you worried about "bloat" for? i really doubt your bloating your just not losing fat and looking for something to blame it on. your not gonna hold water from fina. Also bloat is water, its not fat. so who cares if you have a little bit of water while you diet. its the fat thats making you look fat. not the water. personally i like the look of being lean but holding some water. it makes u look alot bigger.

get a game plan and follow through with it.

 

[Starkraven]

My diet

meal #1 (1 hour after 45 min cardio)
8 egg whites
2 whole eggs
1/2 cup oats (no splenda, sweeteners, sugary bullshit, just old fashioned oats)
1 TBSP Udo's choice oil blend

meal #2
can of tuna, low sodium or chicken breast about 6 oz
2/3 cup oats
1 cup greens, either raw brocolli or rommaine lettuce

TRAIN (mon-fri) one bodypart a day)

meal #3 POST-WORKOUT
10 egg whites
1 cup oats

meal #4
tuna or chicken breast
1 TBSP udo's choice

meal #5
chicken breast
1 cup greens

meal #6
8-10 egg whites

i train mon-fri and do cardio 6 days a week, i drop carbs to 50g weekends and do a double carb up every 10-14 days thats what i was told to do.
believe me its bloat, i can tell, gear bloats but i think skip is right, you have to find out what works for you and in the past i used proviron and nolvadex together and had no bloat so thats what i will do. 250 test and 250 tren should get me to my goals. im going to get an ECA stack. what do you all have to say about the diet?

 

[jerrywear]

it really seems like your really turning into a whiner. There is no reason a person should not be able to drop fat to look lean and muscular. Contest shape is something totally different, but anyone should be able to get lean looking so just do it and quite bitching.

you think your dieting good but your not. losing fat isn't just about eating clean you have to eat less. go high protein/hight fats.....and do low carbs. and make the carbs all oatmeal,brown rice, etc. and hit some cardio post-workout. don't say ur doing that cuz if u eat good and eat less ur gonna loose fat unless ur genetic junk which in that case you should give up on this whole thing cuz its just going to be too hard to maintain/accomplish.

Clen and ECA works awesome for losing fat.

also, what are you worried about "bloat" for? i really doubt your bloating your just not losing fat and looking for something to blame it on. your not gonna hold water from fina. Also bloat is water, its not fat. so who cares if you have a little bit of water while you diet. its the fat thats making you look fat. not the water. personally i like the look of being lean but holding some water. it makes u look alot bigger.

get a game plan and follow through with it.

i couldnt put any better bro,well sayed bro

 

[Coopie]

Stark, based on that diet you laid out, you should be growing like a weed!

When I use tren, 9 times out of 10 is is for a pre-contest environment and I am probably in calorie maintenance mode - not calorie surplus!

But, even in an extreme calorie surplus, as I stated before, some test and tren work wonders for me. I will use more test than tren, but then again, I use test as a base for everything - and always more test than any other "stacking" element.

NOT KNOWING YOUR LEVEL/EXPERIENCE, this is a shot in the dark, but...I don't think 250 test and 250 tren is even worth the pokes! You may want to rethink that strategy - just my opinion. That's just slightly more than an HRT dose of test...

 

[Starkraven]

i am growing but that is no surplus of calories!! im only eating around 1628-1700 cals at a bodyweight of around 155. 5'6" maybe 15-16% BF?

 

[massmonster32]

Get on Eq, Prop, Tren, T-3 will get you right where you want to be. MM

 

[Skip]

.... 250 test and 250 tren should get me to my goals...

It isn't the dosage or gear that makes me uncomfortable. It is the statement, itself. It won't be the GEAR that gets you to your goals. You will say that you didn't mean it that way but.... yes, you did.

Focus on calories in vs. calories out and not your dosages or gear combos, etc..

Just my opinion.....

Skip

 

[Starkraven]

It isn't the dosage or gear that makes me uncomfortable. It is the statement, itself. It won't be the GEAR that gets you to your goals. You will say that you didn't mean it that way but.... yes, you did.

Focus on calories in vs. calories out and not your dosages or gear combos, etc..

Just my opinion.....

Skip

i know you are well educated and all but ive been in this gear game for 5 years. i know what it takes to get ripped. it take some serious effort. NOW, knowing that, dieting down naturally isnt probably the best way to get ripped since you would lose muscle. if you think that I THINK that 250mg test and 250mg tren would make me ripped, THEN I'M SORRY SKIP, BUT YOU ARE WRONG. if you notice, mainly my problem was the bloating from it and the fact my fat loss is slow. this is my first real time dieting with gear so i didnt know what to expect EXACTLY..or how slow or fast i am supposed to lean out. its obvious my genetics arent meant for this. im endomorph. why do you think i even suggested to come off? it takes a while to figure out what works for you, DIET AND TRAINING-WISE which is why i dont care whether i gear up or not. im not taking t3 because....i dont want to. im tired of messing with too many drugs. im the one who used to do 13 dnp cycles in like 4 years so i have no problem being hardcore. and i dieted my ass off while on it and lost a ton of fat. maybe i should use a low dose of that ALONG with my program.

to be honest, im tired of the gear. im 22 and to be honest, the tren (esp with no test) is REALLY fucking with my head. im having extreme aggression problems and mood swings. im still a baby that lives with mommy mommy and its like the tren magnifies my problems. sorry im not 40 or 50 like you guys, im keeping it simple. dieting down to get ripped. gear or not, i really dont care. im sure i feel this way mainly because the test is like GONE by now. some changes i will make. add test, lower tren, get a good ECA, get proviron and nolva and i have enough to diet for more than enough time. im almost 7 weeks into a diet and look like i lost maybe 1-2% BF. tell me that isnt frustrating while doing cardio 6 days a week and dieting hardcore. i know my diet is hardcore. IT DOESNT GET MORE HARDCORE THAN THAT AND THE CALORIES ARE PRETTY LOW. YOU CAN TELL- ABOUT 1650 CALS.

thanks for your input skip, it is always appreciated.

 

[BigBoyJ]

To me it seems your calories are still too high. You're a little guy. No offense, you just are. And being a little guy means you have to eat little amounts of food if you want to lose weight. I would keep your cardio the way it is and drop a couple hundred more calories. If you aren't seeing the results you want within a couple of weeks, drop a couple hundred more. Fat loss is a trial and error process. The first time you do it, it's a huge learning experience. I don't give a shit what your genetics are like, you are human and that fact alone means that if you are eating less calories than you are burning, you will lose weight. It's not that damn complicated, just eat less. I know you say your diet is strict, but if you're not dropping weight, it's not strict enough.

 

[Starkraven]

i have a feeling my cals might be a bit too high but that is just UNBELIEVABLE. im already hungry as it is eating 1650 cals. but yeah i never look flat. and it does look like im building muscle too, always look pumped, i was never bigger than this being this lean. its kind of cool but i want more fat loss. im going to lower it by 200 cals and see what happens. and adding an ECA stack should curb my appetite so thats good.

btw, i know im a little guy, and i take no offense to that. im gonna get even smaller.

 

[AWN2004]

5'6...22....150ish....and 5 years with gear??? This is not a flame here but I think you are barking up the wrong tree. People are offering you sound advice and you are kinda telling them they are wrong. Skip for example, allthough I disagree with some of his methods, knows what he is doing. His pictures and clients speak for themselves. Never stop learning...you are still young and have a lot to learn.