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What the F is wrong with my libido (test results included)

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First cycle in years. Very light was looking for some lean gains. 50 mg test prop ED 50 mg Tbol for 20 days followed into 80 mg var.

I'm ending week 2 right now. Libido was great pre cycle and has tanked since.

I thought maybe my gear was bunk or the aromasin was bunk. But my levels are great. Could it be progesterone?

Anyways, results as follows. I'll upload the actual scan when I get home

Test > 1500 (labcorp only goes to 1500)
Prolactin 12.1. Range 4.0-15.2
Estradiol 21.1 Range 7.6-42.6

Strange thing was I took a 500 iu shot of hcg last night. Wanted to do it within the hour. My woman is extremely unhappy with me. If incant fix it soon I'm going to need to come off
 
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My woman is extremely unhappy with me. If incant fix it soon I'm going to need to come off

Wow, wish I had that problem! Youre a lucky guy. Are you married yet?

Sorry, I cant offer any advise on your loss of libido. Does this mean that you have no desire at all to have sex or does this mean you cant get and maintain an erection? When you say libido to me that says you have no desire. Thats a mystery to me with those numbers. I was going to point a finger at prolactin.
 
what are your full results? What are your free test numbers? My guess is that they are extremely low. Get on clomid, not HCG.
 
Wow, wish I had that problem! Youre a lucky guy. Are you married yet?

Sorry, I cant offer any advise on your loss of libido. Does this mean that you have no desire at all to have sex or does this mean you cant get and maintain an erection? When you say libido to me that says you have no desire. Thats a mystery to me with those numbers. I was going to point a finger at prolactin.

I'm engaged to the woman in my avatar. I can maintains erection, just no desire have sex. She is not happy with that
 
I'm engaged to the woman in my avatar. I can maintains erection, just no desire have sex. She is not happy with that

Bold one-lucky man
Bold two-I don't understand how you could not want to have sex with bold one. I'd blast the fuck out of some hcg for a couple weeks.
 
what are your full results? What are your free test numbers? My guess is that they are extremely low. Get on clomid, not HCG.

Clomid made me very depressed during pct before. I do have nolva and numerous ais on hand. I've been tsking aromasin which is supposed to boos free test. Also take nettle root extract which considerably lowered my dads shbg.

By what mechanism might Clomid be more helpful then other seems
Or ai's?
 
Could be a whole host of hormonal imbalances, could be your Prolactin on the upper end of normal? But we(you) don't know what any of your levels were prior? This may be your natural set point for Pr?

Could be your thyroid or your Free (Bio Available) testosterone is either too high or too low, or it could be your E2 is too low for the high level of Total Testosterone, you did mention that shortly after your hCG shot your libido seemed to be where it should be, Estrogen and the fractional E1,E2 and E3 are the first hormones to be stimulated by hCG, then testosterone several hours later.

My guess is unproportional levels of E2/T
 
Could be a whole host of hormonal imbalances, could be your Prolactin on the upper end of normal? But we(you) don't know what any of your levels were prior? This may be your natural set point for Pr?

Could be your thyroid or your Free (Bio Available) testosterone is either too high or too low, or it could be your E2 is too low for the high level of Total Testosterone, you did mention that shortly after your hCG shot your libido seemed to be where it should be, Estrogen and the fractional E1,E2 and E3 are the first hormones to be stimulated by hCG, then testosterone several hours later.

My guess is unproportional levels of E2/T

Should I Come off of the ai and see how I feel? I tried thatast week and bloated way up, at no point did I feel normal again
 
I would like to see what your free/bioavailable test and/or SHBG is. That is usually the deciding factor in libido.
 
Should I Come off of the ai and see how I feel? I tried thatast week and bloated way up, at no point did I feel normal again

I don't believe you'd want to come off maybe reduce the amount of AI or stop taking for a few days or when you experience either a nocturnal or morning erection(Nice balance of T/E), how much are you taking now?

Edit; when you experience either a nocturnal or morning wood, slowly introduce your AI at the minimal dose, back off AI when you lose either of those.
 
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I would like to see what your free/bioavailable test and/or SHBG is. That is usually the deciding factor in libido.

My dad is on trt. He was able to cut his shbg in more than half by using 10:1 nettle root extract as confirmed by blood work. I'm going to follow a dosing latter. More closely and see if it helps
 
I don't believe you'd want to come off maybe reduce the amount of AI or stop taking for a few days or when you experience either a nocturnal or morning erection(Nice balance of T/E), how much are you taking now?

12.5 mg a day. But that's because I thought estrogen was the culprit despite that I have no bloat ATM. Ill drop it to say 6?

I'm not I familiar with progesterone related problems. Could this possibly be a culprit?

Edit: I was also under the impression that aromasin lowers estrogen and shbg?
 
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My dad is on trt. He was able to cut his shbg in more than half by using 10:1 nettle root extract as confirmed by blood work. I'm going to follow a dosing latter. More closely and see if it helps


Try not to chase SHBG too hard, every one of your hormones are reflective of this powerful hormone transporter, trying to manipulate can be more trouble than it's worth.
your fathers SHBG would naturally be high from age related hormonal shifts, starting HRT would lower (should) by increasing Testosterone, which would lower Estrogen that's bound to SHBG.
 
12.5 mg a day. But that's because I thought estrogen was the culprit despite that I have no bloat ATM. Ill drop it to say 6?

I'm not I familiar with progesterone related problems. Could this possibly be a culprit?

Edit: I was also under the impression that aromasin lowers estrogen and shbg?

Seems like too high dose of aromasin for low dose of test. I would drop dose down to 6 eod and run proviron if you can get it pretty fast
 
12.5 mg a day. But that's because I thought estrogen was the culprit despite that I have no bloat ATM. Ill drop it to say 6?

I'm not I familiar with progesterone related problems. Could this possibly be a culprit?

Edit: I was also under the impression that aromasin lowers estrogen and shbg?

How are your energy levels? There's no evidence I have to back this up besides from my personal experiences and others on another forum i frequent.

Progesterone has several metabolic pathways, one of the supportive pathways is Cortisol, AAS have a suppressive (not necessarily complete suppression) of the Cortisol output from the adrenal glands, Progesterone helps supply Cortisol if it's enzyme pathway allows for metabolic process to occur,Pregenolone also works this way.

So if your not experiencing overwhelming fatigue or the onset of gyno, there's minimal need to worry about progesterone, unless you really want to check it.

hCG stimulates 17- hydroxyprogesterone intratesticular.


And yes Aromatase Inhibitors act on SHBG by way of reducing the fractionals of estrogen, in return lowering SHBG, again other hormones,diet and age play a big role in how high or low one's SHBG is.
 
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I also think its an imbalance of hormones, I use to keep my E2 right around 28, then I found that I actually felt better and had a much higher libido with an elevated E2.


I think it's part mental, guys freak if they think something is wrong, compounding the problem. I would cut your aromisin dose of just stop it for a few days. If I ever need a quick boost of estro I'll take some dhea caps.

Howuch hcg are you using and how often? What again is your dosing schedule and amounts, and what other prescription and non prescription drugs are you taking. You need to list any and everything.

I would add some cialis, I know you said you can maintain an erection, but the addition will allow you to not have to focus on staying hard and can focus on getting into what you are doing. I have been in the same place before, normally I can't keep my hands off my woman, actually she's the only woman that I literally think about sleeping with at all times and can't get enough even after 6 years.

When I had labs, my numbers were similar to yours. I added caber which didn't help at first, I then stopped my ai which was what helped. At that point I started to use very little ai on cycles, use hcg, dhea, and for some reason 5-HTP really seems to help (Natrol brand before bed). Not sure if this is just in my mind but seems to help.

But I think you would do better with a little higher E2. And I think you should check your BP, which can have an effect. It sucks to have a beautiful woman next to you and no desire at all to touch her. Mine took it hard at first and thought I wasn't attracted or was cheating, and she goes out of her way to dress up for me or whatever I want, plus she is sooooo sexy, I had to just explain to her that I had a hormonal imbalance, and it was not a problem with her at all. She was very cool about it and basically said, you can't resist this for too long so I'll give you some time, then she made sure to look great everyday, would walk around the house it tiny outfits and heels, I stopped the ai, added dhea and 5-HTP, and cialis, but erections weren't my problem either, but it was enough to at least give her some and took a minute for me to get my head in the game because I was thinking more about stating hard, and thinking hopefully she will get off quick so we could be done, crazy feeling because I normally cannot get enough.

Hang in there, have you had this issue on long ester test? I just wonder if your estro fluctuates to quickly. And your labs may not be a real accurate pic,,your estro could be higher or lower depending on dosing and testing.

Stewie is pretty smart and will give you very good advise. But start to relax and not worry, if she knows you are on gear, tell her flat out, you somehow have an imbalance of hormones and are getting it straight and she better enjoy the break because she will be begging for one once you figure it out. You will be fine soon so try to relax about it.
 
Wow, wish I had that problem! Youre a lucky guy. Are you married yet?

Sorry, I cant offer any advise on your loss of libido. Does this mean that you have no desire at all to have sex or does this mean you cant get and maintain an erection? When you say libido to me that says you have no desire. Thats a mystery to me with those numbers. I was going to point a finger at prolactin.

I was thinking the same thing, haha.
 
I always fell best at prolactin 5-6 (never been lower) and estrogen 26-30. Anavar would lower shbg so I wouldn't consider that.
 
I always fell best at prolactin 5-6 (never been lower) and estrogen 26-30. Anavar would lower shbg so I wouldn't consider that.


Very true,as it stands now with speculation of the high T to Estradiol, we could very much assume that his SHBG is probably already low,the EOD injection of Test Prop should free up bound Estrogen from SHBG, this coupled with the AI every day is keeping any chances of Aromatase and Estrogen to bind to SHBG.

Estrogen and the subsets of Estrogen, E1,E2 and E3 are functional in sexual health.


I would not add anything else to the mix at the moment.
 
I really appreciate the well thought out responses you guys are giving me

A little about me. I'm 28. 5'10. 190 lbs around 10% or a little less
She agreed to me running a cycle because I told her I felt I was In a rut with working out and more importantly I would want to do her more often, that was a huge selling point. When things went the exact opposite direction she was upset, calling me selfish etc.

In the past I've never had this happen but I've always ran longer esters. I'm doing prop at 50 mg Ed so I feel loke that should maintain a fairly consistent blood level. I've only taken my first shot of hcg yesterday for tedticular function. The only cue that doesn't lead me to believe it is estrogen is that when I started 2 weeks ago I took nothing up until this sat when I weighed myself and was like oh shit I'm up 12 lbs, estrogen must be making me bloat. With that said I felt like my libido tanked almost immediately after starting the cycle

I only take a few other things, but I take them year round at different intervals. Multi vitamin, multi mineral, b complex, vitamin d, NAC, vitamin e. No perscription drugs, And really no recreational drugs, atleast with any sort of consistency. Little to no alcohol, moderate to good diet, good amount o sleep and no stress minus this situation


Userat, that's the same situation I'm in. I sent her a message saying my leveled
We're fine and her response was "maybe you don't fin me attractive any more". As my avatar shows she is very fit, she also has a very pretty face and is a greet person. She doesn't quite grasp the concept that it's hormones that are what drive desire, and it doesn't help that she herself likely has high testosterone for a woman because she wants sex all day.

I'm going to come off the ai. I'll take some prami to see ifthat helps ( it hasn't been at all, i got off it for the test to see my level). Should I try to lower shbg with nettle? I could have my progesterone checked. I am feeling a little lethargic and so far my gains and recovery don't seem there , but I am on a very low dose and it has only been 2 weeks

Thank you for your help guys. I really appreciate it. I'm going On vacation to loo at wedding resorts next week so I feel a deadline looming to get back to normal
 
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