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What's really out there?

BigBoyJ

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I just got done watching Hostel and I started thinking (that's usually not a good thing). Before I watched the movie I was really wondering if I would be able to watch it all or not because of all the things I'd heard about it. Everyone said how disguisting and disturbing it was. As I watched it, I basically found myself bored...numb. Bodyparts lying everywhere didn't phase me. All the blood, the screams, etc meant nothing. I thought it was an interesting movie, but I didn't find it the least bit disturbing, or scary. Now I suppose this could just be because I know in my mind it's all fake, nothing but props and makeup. Honestly though, I think it's deeper than that.

I remember when I was a little kid, I always had a feeling when I was in my bed at night that there was someone in there with me. Sometimes it felt like something good, sometimes it felt like a presence that was repulsed by my existence. This may sound insane and I'm more than ready for those accusations, but there have been MANY times when I layed in bed at night and the bed started shaking. I'm not talking about something like a little jiggle. I mean SHAKING. This has happened as long as I can remember. A couple of years ago, I was laying in my bed at about 3 am, sound asleep with my girlfriend at the time. Out of nowhere (get ready to call me crazy) the bed popped up off the floor about two feet and slammed down again while a deep demonic roar blew against my and my girlfriend's face. I'm serious and I'm NOT lying about this. We both literally felt this steaming hot air blast us at the same time that the bed fell apart from slamming on the floor. Now there was no central heat or air in that apartment, so it wasn't that. And the bed was an old solid wood antique bed. It was very sturdy, not something easily lifted, or easily broken.

The bed breaking was the only time that particular occurance has taken place, but there have been at least three other times that I've heard that same loud roar and felt the heat blast my face.

Ever since I was a kid, weird stuff like this has happened to me. When I was a teenager, I lived with my aunt and uncle for a while. While I was there, the washing machine would turn on in the middle of the night, the toilet would flush, butcher knives would mysteriously end up in the middle of the bedroom floor at night, etc.

As a result of these weird things happening I got interested in Oiuja boards. I wanted to see if I could talk to whatever it was that was messing with me. Of course it all started as kind of a joke because I didn't expect it to do anything.

When I first started using it, it was very slow and hard to talk to. I thought it was just my cousin moving the thing and he thought it was me. We kept trying it anyway and eventually it got better. We started using it to find out things we wanted to know. Like if we had lost something, we could use it to tell us where it was. Or if I wanted to know something about a particular person I could find it out. At first it was really fun and helpful.

Over time though, the fun turned into what I can only describe as "intruiging evil". After a few months, whenever I would ask "who am I speaking to", the Oiuja would speedily spell out S.A.T.A.N. I would ask what he wanted with me and it would spell out things like "rape you while you sleep", or "make you suffer". These are just examples. I would use it for hours, taunting whatever I thought it was I was talking to. Anyway, I knew whatever it was it had been waiting for me since I was a small child....waiting for me to die.

On the other hand, I've always known that something is protecting me as well. And I have no doubt that if it wasn't for this protector, whatever it is that wants me would have me now. I can literally feel both entities all the time. One with pure love and the other who wants me to experience torture like no one can comprehend.

Another thing that will make our board psychiatrists ready to have me put away is this. I've always known that after this life is over, I will have a purpose. This life is just preperation for a battle. This life also determines which side of the battle I will be on. I want to live a good life. Honestly though, I seem to feel myself pulled deeper and deeper into bad things. My morality slips by me and I don't even seem to care. Sometimes I think the evil is taking over and I don't know how to stop it, or if I can....or want to. When I go to church I feel extremely angry and hateful. I literally want to hurt people for talking to me.

Now, let's analyze this. Insanity, or supernatural moral pull? What's the diagnosis? Has anyone else exerienced things you can't explain, but you know are just as real as the computer you're looking at right now?
 
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I would definately stop trying to seek or speak to the evil spirit bothering you and find the good one. I would definately make sure you are baptized and get your house blessed. I dont think you are crazy as I to feel a further purpose after this world. MM
 
massmonster32 said:
I would definately stop trying to seek or speak to the evil spirit bothering you and find the good one. I would definately make sure you are baptized and get your house blessed. I dont think you are crazy as I to feel a further purpose after this world. MM

Good point, MassMonster. I forgot to mention that one time I did ask to speak with the peaceful entity I feel around me. It was the ONLY time I've ever been able to speak to anthing good using the Ouija. I felt the warmth and love while I spoke to it...as goofy as that sounds. It told me that what I was doing was wrong and that I was trying to learn things I'm not meant to know yet. It told me to stop ALL attempts to contact the supernatural, so I did. But I still feel that evil presence all the time.
 
If it will make you worry less, I think you are nuts. :)
 
This may be off topic a little, but I totally belive there are places where stuff like what happened in hostel take place. Thats why that movie was so crazy. The hillz have eyes was another good one. Also, just saw Silent Hill last night. I loved it. The first 1/2 was unbelieveable scary, and the 2nd was kinda weird and a little hard to understand. They kinda overdid it, but it was another freaky flick if your into "hell" movies.
 
massmonster32 said:
I would definately stop trying to seek or speak to the evil spirit bothering you and find the good one. I would definately make sure you are baptized and get your house blessed. I dont think you are crazy as I to feel a further purpose after this world. MM
Stop playing the board bro.In my country ouja board is known as the 'spirit of the coin'.Everyone playing places their finger on a coin and it starts moving to certain alphabets answering questions.Very popular with the chinese community who love gambling and ask the spirits for lucky numbers and stuff.If you're lucky you win big time but tragedy always follows not only to the player but also his family.Some just go raving mad and have never been cured.Others had children dying of mysterious illness,tragic accidents and suicides.Looks like a harmless game played for fun but you should be aware theres a force behind it and by playing these games you are only inviting harm to yourself and loved ones.

I know some might think of all this as bullshit..."lets call the ghostbusters" they might say.We hould all realise if theres god there is also the devil.Most of the spirits who commune through these games are damned souls who are stuck here wandering around aimlessly.Not all of them are harmful as depicted in ghost movies but you're better of staying away from them.As MM said,get yourself and your house blessed and also try praying in your house with your family which creates a positive energy which prevents these beings access into your house and life.Take care.
 
Im open mined to a lot of crazy things like what you are describing existing. I do believe in ghost and other things that I don't even under standing. As an experiment when I was a teenager I used to be obsessed with EVPS (electronic voice phenomena) you basically try to record with a tape recorder ambient voices in completely silent places. I have tried cemeteries, my house my friend’s house and 90% of the time when I would play the tape back nothing would happen. Twice for me some thing happened. Once was at my old house with my room mate I locked the tape recorder in a bedroom and asked through the Door what’s your name, with a series of other questions for about 10 minutes. when I played it back a loud clear voice said John, it was louder then my voice, through the door in the other room and it freaked the shit out of us and we stopped. the 2nd time was about 1.5 years later after my grandfather died I started asking for signs with my tape recording just for kicks. after asking for a sign I clearly heard my name 1 second after I asked. I was alone when I taped it to every one I play it back to they can make out my name so I know it wasn't just me.

I know I also probably sound crazy as well. But the point is our daily lives don’t ever include things like this. their is a lot out their in our world, on this planet in our solar system, and in our universe that is so beyond us that its near impossible to comprehend, but that doesn't mean we should think of any thing we cannot under stand as not possible, or science fiction. Being obsessed with astrology as well, I think it would be ignorant to think we are the only life in the universe, considering some basic statistic’s on the universe.
 
::evil-smi :d:vil-smi :de:il-smi :dev:l-smi ;devil-smi :de:il-smi :devi:-smi :devil-sm:

Ok.. so i had to be the asshole lol :angel-s:i
 
Thank's for the stories, my friends. I knew I couldn't be the only one. Saint and ToiletPaper4U....kiss the buttcheeks.;)
 
I went to stay with some friends for a few months down in alabama several years ago. I took alot of pics while I was there. When I moved back I showed them to friends and what not. One of my friends freaked alittle about these certain pics. They were all from the house we were staying at. The pics of this house or anything in it were smeared, blurry or had what looked to be lightning in them somewhere. Low and behold this kids mom was a ghost hunter, like those people you see on discovery specials and shit. We showed her the pics and she said it was some kind of ghosts or spirits that lived within the property and the showed up in the pics. She said it was especially evident with the lightning looking pics.

Now I stay at my moms alot and bringmy dog out to her house to run around as there's 30 acres of open land. So I'm there alot by myself and this is the house that I grew up in so I know it like the back of my hand. I know when and how an old house makes noises and settles and what not. Well the last few months from time to time when I'm in the office on the pc I hear noises. Like the ventilation system rattling or doors upstairs slamming or foot steps down the upstairs hallway. I'm not crazy cause these noises are loud enough to get the dogs rattled and going ape shit. My mom is finally starting to believe me. The other night I slept in the basement there with my dog and I was just about out when I heard something and I thought it was her coming down for something. But no one spoke and it sounded like someone was walking across a newpaper that was on the floor or something.
The one thing about her house is it is where my dad passed away through hospice care. Which I try to sum it up as him taking care of the house. Hope that's what it is and nothing else.

I obviously don't think your crazy, I just wouldn't fuck with the spirits anymore. I understand what you said about wanting to lead a good life but find yourself from time to time being pulled towards shit you shouldn't. That's why I have the name I do: Armageddon: a constant battle between good and evil raging in my head.

Oh and Silent Hill sucked! I was highly disappointed.
 
Good story Armageddon.

See, when it comes to religion it's hard to know what to believe. I lean towards Christian beliefs, but it's hard sometimes to believe anything because even within Christianity itself there's so much contradiction.

Anyway, if the Bible is what you believe in, then according to that, there can't be ghosts. God says when we die, our bodies enter a sleep like state. We don't go to Heaven or Hell right away, our souls just enter an anesthetized state until judgement day. Now if this is true, then there can't be ghosts because there would be no active souls.

I remember a few years ago on tv I saw this preacher. He said there are no such things as ghosts, but there ARE demons who pretend to be spirits of people we've lost. They lure us in and attempt to make us communicate with them. Their goal is to create confusion in our beliefs. And even attempting to communicate with them in itself is a sin because attempting to speak with the dead is not allowed by Christianity. It isn't allowed because God says it's not and also because God says, ghosts don't exist.
 
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Old Hag

the only ghost experiences I've ever had was waking up in the middle of the night paralyzed with a dark presence by the side of my bed and it felt very evil. I can barely move and can barely make a sound. I've had this happen quite a few times, each time was a little bit different.

I looked this stuff up b/c it was really bothering me. Apparently it is a very well know phenomenon that has happened to a lot of people through out time. It's known by many cultures as being visited by "The Old Hag". The Medical field describes this as Sleep Paralysis, where your are awake but a part of your brain is still a sleep.

I'm not sure what to think. To me, it sure feels real when it happens. I’m not 100% sold on the medical theory.
 
Conan21 said:
the only ghost experiences I've ever had was waking up in the middle of the night paralyzed with a dark presence by the side of my bed and it felt very evil. I can barely move and can barely make a sound. I've had this happen quite a few times, each time was a little bit different.

I looked this stuff up b/c it was really bothering me. Apparently it is a very well know phenomenon that has happened to a lot of people through out time. It's known by many cultures as being visited by "The Old Hag". The Medical field describes this as Sleep Paralysis, where your are awake but a part of your brain is still a sleep.

I'm not sure what to think. To me, it sure feels real when it happens. I’m not 100% sold on the medical theory.

Well, whatever that is, it would scare the shit out of me too. The thing with scientists is it's their job to explain everything. Sometimes something is just so damned strange there is no explanation. Other times there is enough evidence to form a theory. The only other theory I've seen to explain what happened to me is telekinesis. And I don't know what would be weirder, demons, or me moving things with my brain.
 
Conan21 said:
the only ghost experiences I've ever had was waking up in the middle of the night paralyzed with a dark presence by the side of my bed and it felt very evil. I can barely move and can barely make a sound. I've had this happen quite a few times, each time was a little bit different.

I looked this stuff up b/c it was really bothering me. Apparently it is a very well know phenomenon that has happened to a lot of people through out time. It's known by many cultures as being visited by "The Old Hag". The Medical field describes this as Sleep Paralysis, where your are awake but a part of your brain is still a sleep.

I'm not sure what to think. To me, it sure feels real when it happens. I’m not 100% sold on the medical theory.

Ok ur scarin the fuck outta me now cuz the same shit happens to me. I feel like im awake, and something is going on around me but i cannot move, im paralyzed. I also remember being able to think, ok i know im asleep wake the fuck up right now! I thought it was just a nightmare.... but it happens once in a while and when it does it happens pretty often like in spurts..
 
Conan21 said:
the only ghost experiences I've ever had was waking up in the middle of the night paralyzed with a dark presence by the side of my bed and it felt very evil. I can barely move and can barely make a sound. I've had this happen quite a few times, each time was a little bit different.

I looked this stuff up b/c it was really bothering me. Apparently it is a very well know phenomenon that has happened to a lot of people through out time. It's known by many cultures as being visited by "The Old Hag". The Medical field describes this as Sleep Paralysis, where your are awake but a part of your brain is still a sleep.

I'm not sure what to think. To me, it sure feels real when it happens. I’m not 100% sold on the medical theory.

This has happened to me once or twice and used to happen to my mom a lot. I really dont know what it is, but I know EXACTLY what youre talking about. I've never met anyone else who has had this experience except for you though! -StOrY
 
Personally, I don't find any of it too hard to believe at all. I've never experienced anything myself, but I'd be foolish to think that what we can see, hear, measure, touch is all there is. As far as the scientific community is concerned, I'm sure they steer far clear of this sort of this thing so that their careers remain intact lol. I don't think ghost-chasing makes for a good living.

But with our extremely limited view of the color spectrum, narrow range of audible frequencies, just a total lack of senses we can't see the majority of the forces going on around us. We have learned to fashion machinery to be our eyes and ears so that we now know that elephants, dolphins, bats, all communicate and navigate using tools that are "invisible" to us. Even to the extent that some use the Earth's gravity like birds, for instance.

The idea that there are other creatures out there beyond our range of perceptions, or existing in a state which is totally unfamiliar to us, seems pretty reasonable. Spooky, but reasonable.

There was what I thought was a good movie called "The Mothman Prophecies" that came out some years ago and I thought John Keel's story was pretty insightful. Some of the things in that movie are just what I'm talking about. Things like "Why me?" "Because you noticed them and they noticed that you noticed."
"Why don't they just explain themselves in way we can understand?" "You're a higher form of life than a cockroach, ever try explaining yourself to one?"
Guy on a street and a guy washing windows high on the side of building. The guy washing windows notices an accident about to happen on the street below yet guy on the street notices nothing. The window-washer isn't more intelligent yet appears to see into the future, but if fact he just has a totally different perspective (a better POINT OF VIEW)

It would take man's gall to assume that we are all that exists.

BBJ, I'd be more concerned that you can watch such a degree of violence and mayhem and be numb to it, as you say. Nothing alarming mind you, just that I think that shows a degree of desensitation. I suppose it could be attributed to us knowing and growing up with special effects by Rick Baker and CGI but then again, do you think that you are numb to violence and mayhem in real life? One of my lifting buds is an EMT and some of those stories make me want to hurl. Would you be as cavalier or flipant if it was for real, in your face? I guess that would be my question. That is, if you don't mind me asking.
 
My mom died on Christmas day when I was 16 a few days later on New Years night the boys took me out and we went every across town. There was 5 of us in the car. 3 of us here extremely fucked up but the driver and his cousin were sober. As we pulled up in my driveway I saw my Dads car parked in the drive way and thought "fuck my old mans home" as i looked up at my front door he was standing at the door waiting for me. I thought, awe fuck - he's gonna see me all fucked up up. As I said that the driver(who was sober) says, dude thats not your Dad. We all froze man. My mom was standing behind the screen door and was looking straight at us. My eyes began to water and everyone in the car just freaked out. I ran to the door and as I got a few feet from it saw that it was closed shut. We all looked at each other and on of the guys said "yo man, that shit didn't just happen - we're all fucked up and don't know what we were looking at"

We still talk about it and it was pretty freaky - other things have happend thur out life, but I pay no mind to them. Just life being wierd like it can be somedays.:rolleyes:
 
My wife has had that shit happen to her on occasian. She'll hear this gutteral growl and hot air will hit her in the face, too. Its called a Dutch Oven and she hates it when I fart under the covers. hehehe - just fuckin with ya J. Be good and its all cool, it really is that easy.
 
freaky bro...I use to have all sorts of weird things happen like this. For the most part it has gone away as I try not to open my mind to such things anymore. It just gave me a very bad feeling. In fact as a kid I hardly slept. Maybe 2-3 hours a night for years because of weird stuff happening. It started when I was about 4 or 5 years old.
 
hmm

Never had anything cool happen to me. Evil spirits do not scare me...I scare them.
 

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