What's the longest you've stayed on cycle and still made a good natural test recovery

[tenny]

thats understandable ? Hopefully you did well that year. How was the weeks/months following after that 9months? sides Bad? PCT? If situation called for it again now days would Do it again?

i went off for over a year after that
tapper nicely....then 15 days of clomid and proviron
followed by trib for about 5 or 6 months

of course.....went from 235 close to contest shape to about 200
still lean though, held right at 200 for a year

crashed hard in months 2 and 3.....145 test level
in total it took 6 months to regain a 550 test level
and held there for another 6 months

yes i would do it again.......but.......BUT

i would do it a little differently

 

[Springbok]

in what way would you do it differently?

and how come u did not use hcg for example?

 

[tenny]

in what way would you do it differently?

and how come u did not use hcg for example?

i would use different compounds at the end for sure

heres a secret.......finishing a cycle with certain compounds makes a WORLD
of difference regarding pct

and i dont use hcg.....for reasons ive posted numerous times

 

[Platinum_OG]

i would use different compounds at the end for sure

heres a secret.......finishing a cycle with certain compounds makes a WORLD
of difference regarding pct

and i dont use hcg.....for reasons ive posted numerous times

Well then please explain Sinsai... What or which compounds would be way ? PM if you'd rather... But im sure im not the only one wanting to know ....

 

[tenny]

Well then please explain Sinsai... What or which compounds would be way ? PM if you'd rather... But im sure im not the only one wanting to know ....

well......if you think about it....its not that hard to figure out

went your ready to get off.......you get off.....PERIOD

so you would stick to or change to shorter ester stuff
when you know your get ready to go off.......no??.....make sense???

then you can go even futher........wouldnt you rather go with NON-aromatizing
stuff at the end to MINIMIZE sides that way

and THEN.......there a whole other side.......which compounds
promote natural test production???

all these thing on top of a nice tapper and

BINGO!!!!.......it all adds up to help you with your pct

hence.......making things ALOT easier for you

but you gotta remember......getting off sucks
your gonna lose size and your gonna lose strength
its all part of the game.....as soon as you can come to terms with
that........coming off and pct will be alot easier to you

 

[Springbok]

well......if you think about it....its not that hard to figure out

went your ready to get off.......you get off.....PERIOD

so you would stick to or change to shorter ester stuff
when you know your get ready to go off.......no??.....make sense???

then you can go even futher........wouldnt you rather go with NON-aromatizing
stuff at the end to MINIMIZE sides that way

and THEN.......there a whole other side.......which compounds
promote natural test production???

all these thing on top of a nice tapper and

BINGO!!!!.......it all adds up to help you with your pct

hence.......making things ALOT easier for you

but you gotta remember......getting off sucks
your gonna lose size and your gonna lose strength
its all part of the game.....as soon as you can come to terms with
that........coming off and pct will be alot easier to you

so what would be your advice then to ppl running 8 week cycles say..then pct and staying for for another few weeks and jumping back on?

do you think pct+time on in the off period is enough ?

 

[tenny]

so what would be your advice then to ppl running 8 week cycles say..then pct and staying for for another few weeks and jumping back on?

do you think pct+time on in the off period is enough ?

i would bridge that, and just cruise

makes no sense in coming off for a few weeks

 

[bigboy05]

THANKS GUYS.. i appreciate the kind words.. we can all get consumed with it at sometime.. i was when i was younger.. but it becomes much more enjoyable when you make it "part" of your life not your whole life..

when it consumes everything there is much stress to something that should be enjoyable.. getting meals in on time = stress.. making all workouts= stress.. ect ect.. now if a meal is a hour late.. oh well.. if i miss a workout because of family obligations ya just make it up tomorrow.. i look forward to the workouts more this way.. in the end as long as i am the biggest guy at the mall i am ok with that..

I took 3 years off from lifting for this very reason. I just got burned out on the "lifestyle". I felt like I was doing it for everyone else except me...like it was an obligation to please others. It just wasn't enjoyable anymore. It took years before I even set foot in a gym again, but by then I was excited again. Trained hard for a few months then got back on some gear and I haven't looked back. It's all about your perspective on life and where your priorities lay. Oh shit!! I missed my morning shake, gotta go.

 

[stankyleg]

Oh shit!! I missed my morning shake, gotta go.

LMAO

 

[Platinum_OG]

well......if you think about it....its not that hard to figure out

went your ready to get off.......you get off.....PERIOD

so you would stick to or change to shorter ester stuff
when you know your get ready to go off.......no??.....make sense???

then you can go even futher........wouldnt you rather go with NON-aromatizing
stuff at the end to MINIMIZE sides that way

and THEN.......there a whole other side.......which compounds
promote natural test production???

all these thing on top of a nice tapper and

BINGO!!!!.......it all adds up to help you with your pct

hence.......making things ALOT easier for you

but you gotta remember......getting off sucks
your gonna lose size and your gonna lose strength
its all part of the game.....as soon as you can come to terms with
that........coming off and pct will be alot easier to you

this is some good advice and I do Understand what you are saying about switching to shorter ester. As always tenny You Know Your Sh*t !!!
And your experience and opinions are Priceless and much appriciated.
Thanks tenny.......

 

[epoxy]

going on 7 months it'll be 9 full months when i come off. i'll let ya know because this is the first time i've ever gone more than 3 months.

 

[Wonton]

Here is the problem with GP's and test levels. You go to your doc, get blood work, results come back and you go in and see him/her. Well Mr. X your bloods came back fine. YOur liver values are a little high but nothing to worry about and your cholesterol need to be watched, but other than that you are good to go. Hey doc what about my test levels? OH those, nah they came back normal! Doc? What is normal? OH they are in range, sitting around 150. Shit doc isn't that normal for a 75 year old? Nah that is normal range, if you were to drop below 100 then we might have a look.

See where this goes! And before all you arm chair chemists take a shot at the numbers I used they are merely for this debate and not real. Point is that GP's have a chart. They look at the ranges, you are within range if you fall anywhere on that chart. They do not give a rats ass about how low in range you are, fact of the matter to them is you are in range. Would 400-500 be better, of course it would. But they will not justify therapy until there is a perceived problem. Being low in range to them is no problem.

Understand completely - " Perceived problem"

I was looking for those test results a few days ago - had to ask the doc to resend results- I did post them up somewhere asking if they were good - forget which forum.

Thats another great spin on things - what is a decent level for quality of life.

So many variables ...

Tenny! You should hook us up with your ideal pct - seems as though we could all learning a little something from your experience and might be able to advoid it ourselves.

Of course we can go ahead and research ourselves but, I'm sure all of us would really appreciate it.

 

[dempc]

16 weeks... and it took every bit of another 4 months for me to recover. Probably she shittiest i've ever felt...

 

[Platinum_OG]

Understand completely - " Perceived problem"

I was looking for those test results a few days ago - had to ask the doc to resend results- I did post them up somewhere asking if they were good - forget which forum.

Thats another great spin on things - what is a decent level for quality of life.

So many variables ...

Tenny! You should hook us up with your ideal pct - seems as though we could all learning a little something from your experience and might be able to advoid it ourselves.

Of course we can go ahead and research ourselves but, I'm sure all of us would really appreciate it.

Agreed ... Hook us up tenny .........:headbang:

 

[Platinum_OG]

16 weeks... and it took every bit of another 4 months for me to recover. Probably she shittiest i've ever felt...

LMAO ... Bro you sound so discouraging... seems as though it was a little rough for you :banghead:

 

[Necrias]

I do 6 months on 3 months off and seem to recover fine. Tempted to stay on for 9 months then take the last 3 months of the year off... but I'm only 23, so probably not a good idea.

 

[J_Diggs]

well......if you think about it....its not that hard to figure out

went your ready to get off.......you get off.....PERIOD

so you would stick to or change to shorter ester stuff
when you know your get ready to go off.......no??.....make sense???

then you can go even futher........wouldnt you rather go with NON-aromatizing
stuff at the end to MINIMIZE sides that way

and THEN.......there a whole other side.......which compounds
promote natural test production???

all these thing on top of a nice tapper and

BINGO!!!!.......it all adds up to help you with your pct

hence.......making things ALOT easier for you

but you gotta remember......getting off sucks
your gonna lose size and your gonna lose strength
its all part of the game.....as soon as you can come to terms with
that........coming off and pct will be alot easier to you

Very nice sir. So, as a high level example, let's say one was primarily using Test E during a 12-week cycle. Test E has a half life of (questionable) 6-10 days but more likely closer to 6. Would you suggest using Test Prop in say weeks 11 & 12 to round out your cycle or would you start any earlier? Thanks in advance.

 

[tenny]

Very nice sir. So, as a high level example, let's say one was primarily using Test E during a 12-week cycle. Test E has a half life of (questionable) 6-10 days but more likely closer to 6. Would you suggest using Test Prop in say weeks 11 & 12 to round out your cycle or would you start any earlier? Thanks in advance.

i would do my 12 with whatever i planned

and then yes i would start a whole new (pct cycle)...if you will

prop and masteron......50mg each eod
tapper down accordingly for 6 weeks
until its almost nothing

the last week trib and or humanofort......(sometimes i run this for 6 months or more)
clomid, proviron if you have but not needed

hcg....wayyyy overrated in my book and reaks havok on your endocrine system when trying to REGAIN natural test back

on cycle different story

 

[Johnny Smiles]

i would do my 12 with whatever i planned

and then yes i would start a whole new (pct cycle)...if you will

prop and masteron......50mg each eod
tapper down accordingly for 6 weeks
until its almost nothing

the last week trib and or humanofort......(sometimes i run this for 6 months or more)
clomid, proviron if you have but not needed

hcg....wayyyy overrated in my book and reaks havok on your endocrine system when trying to REGAIN natural test back

on cycle different story

to clarify you would go another 6 weeks AFTER the 12 week cycle to taper?
-JS

 

[J_Diggs]

i would do my 12 with whatever i planned

and then yes i would start a whole new (pct cycle)...if you will

prop and masteron......50mg each eod
tapper down accordingly for 6 weeks
until its almost nothing

the last week trib and or humanofort......(sometimes i run this for 6 months or more)
clomid, proviron if you have but not needed

hcg....wayyyy overrated in my book and reaks havok on your endocrine system when trying to REGAIN natural test back

on cycle different story

Thanks Tenny. This looks good. I also agree with your comment on HCG (for PCT use). The only time I use it is on cycle and I always have fantastic results...always.