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Hi guys i wanted to start a convo about what your line in the sand (so to speak) when it comes to what you wont take etc in your pursuit of whatever it is that brought you here (I.E. bodybuilding,PL,MMA, just to look and feel better/personal reasons) What makes you to nervous to even consider. Now just because my post count on this site is low doesnt mean i have 0 experience and havnt been at this awhile and have seen alot. I got into AAS and heavy lifting originally just for personal reasons of wanting to feel strong and look/be bigger and that then trickled into my sport of MMA, i continued using to help with various aspects of that. I remember when i first decided to use aas (after 2-3 years of research) i only wanted to hit a solid 210 (i could have done so naturally in hindsight) and then once i attained that goal all bets were off, i really put my health by the way side and tried everything out their as for AAS and dosing regimes etc and if i knew what i know now i wouldnt have been so carefree. The only two compounds i wish i never bothered with are DNP and Insulin. Now dont get me wrong im not saying that they dont have their place and arent very effective i just realize how lucky i truly was with what i got away with when i used them.
I was using humalog insulin under the guide of a nutcase i see now. I did my own research and then asked for his help its not like i just listened to him blindly out of the gate. i was fully aware of all the effects both positive and negative and decided to go through with it.I think i was using it on its own or probably with low dose test. I was using it mostly PW but tried it at other times as well as i was told, well i was taking an extremely high dose at one time and ended up going hypo (i gave myself more than the intended dose because iw as careless and rushing) in a downtown city. It started wtih the typical hypofeelings of nausua and profuse syeating and soon i could hardly stand or talk, i ended up eating a shit load of chips,candy bars and soda from a street vender because i was so messed up i dropped a bunch of my glucose tabs in a puddle. I ended up walking away ok in the end just felt terrible the remainder of the day but i now realize just how lucky i was. I honestly in retrospect had no business needing slin or using slin and was just very lucky i didnt end up in a coma or die
The other compound is DNP. i was turned on to DNP by a fellow MMA guy who i knew well and was a avid AAS user. I was having trouble dropping more weight when iwas already in the single digits in terms of BF % and didnt want to burn musle. I have used DNP numerous times mostly very successful, it was awesome and i have to admit now that i got more laxed in my diet because i was aware that i could always use this as a tool. Well i have ran DNP in many type styles from longer lower dosage cycles to crazy inferno type cycles with higher doses pyramiding for shorter bursts. The last time i ran it i was convinced it was underdosed after a few days on it so i increased it a decent amount, well suddenly i broke out in insane amounts of hives that nothing helped, the more the DNP built in my system the worse it got, i was eating bendryl like tic tacs and using lotions and nothing was helping, i started to feel worse and worse, way worse than the shitty feeling you can get anyway on DNP and my body temp which was already higher from the DNP and systamtic reaction to the stress and hives rose pretty high. It end up getting to the point that i ended up in the ER and was ice bathed and had other things done to help me from roasting from the inside out. It turns out that i developed a nasty allergy to the DNP (which can happen to some users out their).
In both cases i could have died and am very lucky to be ok today. Now before people jump to the conclusion that i was just a moron who got over his head (which in some aspects i can agree with) i was very informed before i made any choice to use. I always study what i want to use for some time before i even think of actually using it. And when i say study i dont mean read a few threads on various boards, i know the compounds inside and out, on both a book smart level and also learning from others whom went before me. Those are the only two real compounds i wish i never experimented with. Many people use alot of compounds half hazardly and dont realize how dangerous things can be. I still use lots of AAS and peptides (though not at the doses i thought in the begining were the best, i.e higher is always better, i learned thats not the case for me individually) and love using them as a tool now instead of my base.
i just wanted to throw my expereinces out there and hear what you guys have done that you regret or things that you just wont consider an option. I have to say too that years ago i also felt that i couldnt give people advice unless i personally had used the compounds, i used to hate hearing "newbies" spit regurgitated shit they heard from a mod or respected member out at me like it was set in stone. I learned alot through trial and error but now i wish i hadnt been my own guinea pig LOL
I was using humalog insulin under the guide of a nutcase i see now. I did my own research and then asked for his help its not like i just listened to him blindly out of the gate. i was fully aware of all the effects both positive and negative and decided to go through with it.I think i was using it on its own or probably with low dose test. I was using it mostly PW but tried it at other times as well as i was told, well i was taking an extremely high dose at one time and ended up going hypo (i gave myself more than the intended dose because iw as careless and rushing) in a downtown city. It started wtih the typical hypofeelings of nausua and profuse syeating and soon i could hardly stand or talk, i ended up eating a shit load of chips,candy bars and soda from a street vender because i was so messed up i dropped a bunch of my glucose tabs in a puddle. I ended up walking away ok in the end just felt terrible the remainder of the day but i now realize just how lucky i was. I honestly in retrospect had no business needing slin or using slin and was just very lucky i didnt end up in a coma or die
The other compound is DNP. i was turned on to DNP by a fellow MMA guy who i knew well and was a avid AAS user. I was having trouble dropping more weight when iwas already in the single digits in terms of BF % and didnt want to burn musle. I have used DNP numerous times mostly very successful, it was awesome and i have to admit now that i got more laxed in my diet because i was aware that i could always use this as a tool. Well i have ran DNP in many type styles from longer lower dosage cycles to crazy inferno type cycles with higher doses pyramiding for shorter bursts. The last time i ran it i was convinced it was underdosed after a few days on it so i increased it a decent amount, well suddenly i broke out in insane amounts of hives that nothing helped, the more the DNP built in my system the worse it got, i was eating bendryl like tic tacs and using lotions and nothing was helping, i started to feel worse and worse, way worse than the shitty feeling you can get anyway on DNP and my body temp which was already higher from the DNP and systamtic reaction to the stress and hives rose pretty high. It end up getting to the point that i ended up in the ER and was ice bathed and had other things done to help me from roasting from the inside out. It turns out that i developed a nasty allergy to the DNP (which can happen to some users out their).
In both cases i could have died and am very lucky to be ok today. Now before people jump to the conclusion that i was just a moron who got over his head (which in some aspects i can agree with) i was very informed before i made any choice to use. I always study what i want to use for some time before i even think of actually using it. And when i say study i dont mean read a few threads on various boards, i know the compounds inside and out, on both a book smart level and also learning from others whom went before me. Those are the only two real compounds i wish i never experimented with. Many people use alot of compounds half hazardly and dont realize how dangerous things can be. I still use lots of AAS and peptides (though not at the doses i thought in the begining were the best, i.e higher is always better, i learned thats not the case for me individually) and love using them as a tool now instead of my base.
i just wanted to throw my expereinces out there and hear what you guys have done that you regret or things that you just wont consider an option. I have to say too that years ago i also felt that i couldnt give people advice unless i personally had used the compounds, i used to hate hearing "newbies" spit regurgitated shit they heard from a mod or respected member out at me like it was set in stone. I learned alot through trial and error but now i wish i hadnt been my own guinea pig LOL
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