When should I freeze my sperm??

Fullybuilt · Mar 31, 2005

Ok guys here's the deal. I think I messed up my natural test when I was 18 by abusing Pro hormones. I know my test is low cuz it was low even before I started AAS when I was natural. I plan on having a kid or kids in about 5-7years from now(im 22 now) but don't think i'll be able to at that time. I got bloodwork done a few months ago after PCT on my 2nd cycle. Actually about 6weeks after PCT so I should have been fully back to normal but my test was on the very very low end. LH was in the middle and FSH was in the scale but also on the lower end, which leads me to belive my sperm count is dropping. Im currently 7 weeks into my 3rd cycle right now(going to be a big 20weeker). Right now im on 600mg prop and 75mg Tren EOD. Im going to get my sperm frozen even though its pricey. Visit plus bloodwork is $300 and then its $365 per year storage fee. I can live with that. MY ? IS, should I get it done now while im on all this shit, or complete PCT (clomid and nolva)(on hcg right now 500iu 2x a week) and do it after PCT is done, then go on HRT. When will my sperm count be healthier and higher? Thanks

vitor · Mar 31, 2005

Let me ask you this, Do you think you can become a pro, or a top level competitor? Do you play semi-pro sports? If not, why not focus on lifting hard eating right, and doing small cycles now and then, and just be more realistic, I doubt you will have trouble getting girls pregant.

Big Ed · Mar 31, 2005

my endocrinologist told me that i should get my sperm tested and they will tell me if i should get it froze. Its a big ordeal to do this though. I have to be at the hospital at a certain time, cant eat certain foods for 2 weeks, cant cum for 5 days ect...

tbonus · Mar 31, 2005

I would say the best time to freeze them is shortly after they are expelled from your penis

j/k I would take the advice vitor gave and just do small cycles. You shouldn't have problems down the road. I know of at least one friend who ran high doses for years and played college ball/competed who took a year off the juice and had a healthy son. Just use good PTC and don't get crazy with your doses.

Fullybuilt · Mar 31, 2005

I plan on doing moderate cycles, maybe 2 per year, but always on HRT since my natty test is low. I'll use 200mg cypionate per week forever. I just wanna freeze my sperm before its too late. Maybe i'll just go donate sperm at a sperm bank. They will tell me if my count is low or not huh?

Jarconis · Mar 31, 2005

ya know, its not the end of the world to get off gear man...

Fullybuilt · Mar 31, 2005

It is when you have natually low test...

BTW, my ? is, will my sperm count be higher right now(8weeks into cycle) or will it be higher after my PCT is complete at the end of my 20week cycle? Thanks

mike man · Apr 1, 2005

IMO

Fullybuilt said:
It is when you have natually low test...

BTW, my ? is, will my sperm count be higher right now(8weeks into cycle) or will it be higher after my PCT is complete at the end of my 20week cycle? Thanks

8 weeks into the cycle is too late to think about saving your healthiest sperm. I would say to wait until the end or near the end of your PCT and then get the test to see if you even have healthy sperm.
If they are healthy, then think about getting them froze. Even when froze they do not all survive. The freezing process itself can kill some of them.
I have low natural test levels, but my sperm count that falls within the range of "normal".
During my last PCT bout, my wife got pregnant. We were not planning on this nor were we ready for that kind of change to our lifestyle.
I wasn't even trying to recover from a cycle. I hadn't taken any gear for about 6 months, but my sex drive was low and I was "experimenting" with different PCT drugs to help elevate my sex drive. I didn't really get the results I was hoping for of an elevated sex drive, but I did get my my wife pregnant even though we weren't trying to get pregnant.

glenihan · Apr 1, 2005

Fullybuilt said:
I plan on doing moderate cycles, maybe 2 per year, but always on HRT since my natty test is low. I'll use 200mg cypionate per week forever. I just wanna freeze my sperm before its too late. Maybe i'll just go donate sperm at a sperm bank. They will tell me if my count is low or not huh?

has your doctor already told you he'll give you 200mg cyp per week? that's a REALLY high dose for HRT .. usually they start you with a test cream or gel ... then they MAY move to a 200mg cyp shot every 10-14 days

Entity · Apr 1, 2005

If my test levels where that low at 22 and after only 3 cycles then id would take it as a sign that AAS is not for me. See your doctor about treatment to get your natural levels as high as you could get them and just train natural, you dont need AAS to lift.

Snarf · Apr 1, 2005

Well first of all, how do you know your sperm count is low? Just because 6 weeks PCT your test is on the low end of normal does not mean your have a low sperm count. Also, the sperm count is just one factor that affects your ability to impregnant a woman. Motility, morphology, etc also are very important.

You might be stressing out about nothing. I have a low-normal test level when natty and I got my wife pregnant twice. Each time my super sperm did the job the first week she was off the pill. I have also had a sperm test and my boys passed with flying colors.

I think you are over-reacting a little here and it sounds like you are trying to rationalize going on gear full time and doing HRT. At 22 that is a big decision.

Snarf · Apr 1, 2005

Oh, and if your LH was normal and your FSH was normal (doesn't matter if it is on the low end of normal), you are doing just fine in terms of HPTA recovery.

You also can't make assumptions like your sperm count is dropping just becuase your FSH is on the low of normal. They make those ranges so that any value within that range means there should be no clinical abnormality (test might be the only exception to this). So your FSH is clinically normal.

Fullybuilt · Apr 2, 2005

I think i'll wait till pct is over and get a sperm analysis to see whats up. I am for sure going on HRT due to natually low test levels. There is no way im going to lift my ass off everyday in the gym to make shitty gains from having low test. The range was 220-850. I was at 270. At my age I should be in the 700's. My free test was low before I even started AAS about 2 years ago when I was almost 21. So I def have low test, wheter it was from using PH's at too young of an age, or simply b/c some people just have low test.

Skip · Apr 2, 2005

Snarf said:
I think you are over-reacting a little here and it sounds like you are trying to rationalize going on gear full time and doing HRT. At 22 that is a big decision.

My sentiments, exactly.

I think you are going to find it very difficult to get a doctor to prescribe a dosage of 200mg per week of test for a test level of 270.

Skip

Big Ed · Apr 2, 2005

My test levels are around 230 and they wend 200mg e3rd week. Just recently they went 200mg eow.

rugbythug · Apr 2, 2005

Mine were 196 and 170 and they wouldn't give me anything

Fullybuilt · Apr 3, 2005

Skip said:
My sentiments, exactly.

I think you are going to find it very difficult to get a doctor to prescribe a dosage of 200mg per week of test for a test level of 270.

Skip

Im just gonna take a shot of enanth or cyp, 150 or 200mg a week. No need for a dr for this.