Which nationality is most extreme with gear

[traininsane11]

To my knowledge for the most part guys peaked size wise around the 90’s and early 2000’s and things seemed somewhat simpler then it was just
Test and some combination usually of EQ/tren/Deca and anadrol or dbol off-season

I’m sure the dosages got as high as todays guys but far simpler and I’m not sure if any less “healthy” than the new fad of recent times

 

[SDRaver]

On a deployment to Iraq when I was in Baghdad there was one of two gyms in our sector that had a sign out front that said "Goldz Jim". And a spray painted version of the Gold's gym logo at the entrance.

Wild mix of homemade gym equipment and even one of those old Universal multi gym machines that most high schools here in the USA would have in the 70's and 80's.

It didn't take long being in there to check it out to see how we could all mutually benefit each other. They had endless amps of everything like it was nothing and no big deal. Yet they're cabinets were completely empty of any protein powders and they had no access to sterile syringes. Meanwhile we had access to funding of De minimis projects as well as endless amounts of protein powder and sterile syringes

Long story short we were able to help each other. Needle exchange program where we would bring them empty syringe disposal kits and they would give us the filled ones to properly dispose of. And huge amounts of protein powder donated from gym rat friends back home in the states. Then we help them make room for newly donated gym equipment by helping them get rid of a lot of those amps that were taking up space in boxes .

Those stories don't ever make war movies on the big screen but they're out there.

 

[Biggerp73]

Again, just pulling things out of your ass man. How many people do you know on trt that have to incrementally increase their dose over the years for the same levels?

Ok, I understand where you are coming from. It appears there is a bit of a misunderstanding here. I was not saying that steroids stop working after a period of time. I actually said that in my last post:

"You won't reach a point where you suddenly start to slowly shrink even though you are using the same amount, like people with depression/anxiety can sometimes start to slip back into it unless they increase their meds."

If all you have been driving at here is that "steroids never stop working"" then we have been in agreement this entire time.

But you seem to think this settles the entire question of whether time off can lead to gains, and you also seem to be promoting the idea that this question really boils down to one thing alone: receptor density. While the number of receptors is an important factor, it's not the only factor.

What we all know from experience is that a certain dosage of gear, with a certain diet, and certain training, leads to a certain ceiling or maximal level of gains. Let's say 1500mg/week brings a guy up to 225lbs shredded, after 3 years of consistent diet and training. He reached his max. After that point the 1500mg doesn't stop working, it keeps working, in of that it keeps him right there at 225lbs LBM. But it's no longer sufficient to produce additional gains. How does the guy get past that point? He can try to increase the dose, increase food, increase training.. up to a point.

Or he can come off the AAS for 3-6 weeks, eat as much as he can during that time to maintain the 225 LBM, and then when he jumps back on the AAS, that initial burst of growth he will experience could nudge him past the previous platue.

 

[alfresco]

Lets keep this discussion on topic.

Thanks.

 

[luki7788]

Ok, I understand where you are coming from. It appears there is a bit of a misunderstanding here. I was not saying that steroids stop working after a period of time. I actually said that in my last post:

"You won't reach a point where you suddenly start to slowly shrink even though you are using the same amount, like people with depression/anxiety can sometimes start to slip back into it unless they increase their meds."

If all you have been driving at here is that "steroids never stop working"" then we have been in agreement this entire time.

But you seem to think this settles the entire question of whether time off can lead to gains, and you also seem to be promoting the idea that this question really boils down to one thing alone: receptor density. While the number of receptors is an important factor, it's not the only factor.

What we all know from experience is that a certain dosage of gear, with a certain diet, and certain training, leads to a certain ceiling or maximal level of gains. Let's say 1500mg/week brings a guy up to 225lbs shredded, after 3 years of consistent diet and training. He reached his max. After that point the 1500mg doesn't stop working, it keeps working, in of that it keeps him right there at 225lbs LBM. But it's no longer sufficient to produce additional gains. How does the guy get past that point? He can try to increase the dose, increase food, increase training.. up to a point.

Or he can come off the AAS for 3-6 weeks, eat as much as he can during that time to maintain the 225 LBM, and then when he jumps back on the AAS, that initial burst of growth he will experience could nudge him past the previous platue.

it doesn't work like that - if you lower the dosage you can maintain the same size and weight but the quality will be much worse and when you go back to the previous dosage you will simply go back to the same body composition as before - the only option you can grow on the same dosage is if you didn't maximize your diet and training before but once you did there is no way you will grow bigger on the same dosage

 

[alfresco]

it doesn't work like that - if you lower the dosage you can maintain the same size and weight but the quality will be much worse and when you go back to the previous dosage you will simply go back to the same body composition as before - the only option you can grow on the same dosage is if you didn't maximize your diet and training before but once you did there is no way you will grow bigger on the same dosage

Please let us keep this discussion on topic.

 

[Fleezy]

I heard bodybuilders in the UK need a license to use gear

Is this true?

 

[tweezor]

Anyone got knowledge of gear use in Brazil etc? thinking about those Wellness women, their legs is huge af

 

[Biggerp73]

it doesn't work like that - if you lower the dosage you can maintain the same size and weight but the quality will be much worse and when you go back to the previous dosage you will simply go back to the same body composition as before - the only option you can grow on the same dosage is if you didn't maximize your diet and training before but once you did there is no way you will grow bigger on the same dosage

That's your experience

 

[bbxtreme]

That's your experience

I’m going to quote Layne Norton on this one- “Feelings Don’t = Facts”.

If it’s placebo for you when you come down to TRT that you feel better… cool. But unless you have actual studies you can’t keep trying to pass your opinion off as facts.

Again, not hating as I would love to see studies supporting your opinion.

 

[alfresco]

One more post off topic and I am locking this thread

 

[luki7788]

Yes, the difference is crazy but I cannot explain it otherwise than that my body does not react to any other IA except letro.

fuck I mixed up the windows and wrote it here please @alfresco delete my post

 

[lifter]

The craziest cycle I heard of was from a friend of mine from Portugal, that coached a Senior IFBB PRO:

Base year round: (lasts 3-4 weeks)
30mins cardio ed
5k+ steps ed
2g Test ew
2g EQ ew
350 Tren ew
350 Mast ew
15-20iu HGH ed
70-100iu Lantus/Humalog ed
25 T3 ed
150 T4 ed
60 Raloxifene ed
Adex as needed

3w Base + Tren that goes to 1-1,4g total ew
2w Base + 1400 Winstrol ew
Return to just Base

This until 6w out than it's usual stack test tren mast w halo clen eca AIS etc etc

Diet is 4500 cals, mainly carbs and prots no added fats, once a week 7000 cals "cheat day".


I don't understand those blast of 3/2 weeks but anyway this was the complete protocol.

Is he still alive?

 

[Dutch1909]

Good thread. I know I've read the uk muscle forum, knowledge and training content seem on par with most US forums, not as advanced as here.

Recall a guy buselmo used to post about practices in the middle east gear and training, wish I could find the posts was very entertaining.

Seems like from what I've seen Australia is big on aesthetics over size not a bad thing. I think they are inspired by that kid that od in rec drugs and died in a tanning bed lol

Seems like I've seen online that Brazil is big into the SEO look and alot of it

Damn Buselmo, I remember his posts on Getbig. Must’ve been like 10-12 years ago! Always a great read and good insight on how things were being done in the Middle East.

 

[Pizza15]

Is he still alive?

Yep he won the pro card 2y ago and continuing.... So it seems working for him.