who feel likes giving me a syringe full of advice?

[rokkinandrollin]

i have several questions for some of the folks here who have a lot more experience with this than i do. this is my first post and recently started my first cycle. been training for years off and on, but the last 6 mos has been non-stop. decent gains in strength, size gain has been minimal. diet and supplementation is almost perfect. just got sustanon 250 and dbol 25. how often should i use the sust? advice from my friend is 1mL every five days. dbol 1/d. im a big guy. 6' 250# and like i said - training for years so i already have a decent amount of muscle, just too much fat covering it up. i want to increase that muscle quite a bit but i also want to drop the fat. any suggestions? bump the sust to 500/week? any fat loss supps from the sponsors i should get? if so, should i not use it while cycling? i'm sorry if you guys have answered these questions a million times but i searched the site and didnt find exactly what i was looking for. if i should have PMed someone for this, i apologize. if someone will help me out, PM me or let me know so i can PM you. i really appreciate any help anyone will give me.

 

[rokkinandrollin]

oh, i forgot to mention - im 26 and got the gear with labels called "trinity labs" through a friend. anyone ever heard of it? the dbol is a powder in a gel cap - totally unlike all the other dbol i hear everyone talking about here (whole pills?). i searched online and cant find out anything about trinity lab.

ordered nolvadex (sp?) through a sponsor - hopefully it should be here in a week or two - customs permitting.

if anyone thinks i should switch gear or try a different stack, let me know. i am totally open to advice or criticism.

thanks again in advance for any help!

 

[Zuke]

Wow. Is this serious?

 

[balla06]

Wow. Is this serious?

haha zuke i swear bro, everytime i see that u posted in the beg section i HAVE to come read it. ur comments crack me the fuck up bc i can jus see ur ass sittin there and gettin ready to help a bro out and u read this and become in utter disgust and like WHAT-THE-FUCK! haha

but bro as far as the sust, there is PLENTY of research on here. ur a big guy u said u only been at it hard for 6 months. if diet is on and so is training and ur not growin hardly so u say then switch it up a bit. post ur diet up and ur training reg and we will go from there. but not to rag on ya or nothin jus tryin to help u out, if u post things like this ur gna mostly get "wtf" replys. also. this is ur first cycle?

 

[Big Danny]

The gear will definetly help you lose some fat, but you'll also need doing some cardio in the morning on empty stomack. You will probably have to work on your diet too , the sooner you'll cut your carbs intake you'll lose hips of fat. Syntheburn is a very good fat burner and it belong to one of our sponsor, Synthetek. It can be add to your cycle, not problem.

 

[rokkinandrollin]

to be honest with you, i have no idea why you think i wouldnt be serious. i havent been around the site very long at all so if i broke some sort of unspoken social rule in this place, you can let me know instead of further confuse me. the search engine worked great but i asked the questions for other reasons, i'll get into that in a minute.

yes, this is my first cycle.

i just changed everything around with my diet and routine. now i train every muscle group 1-2x/week as well as HIIT cardio 5x/week.

i had the cardio cut out for a while - i know i know, if i want to burn fat, gotta do it, etc. i've started again, thats whats important.

diet is balanced meals of whole grain carbs vs. protein. about 5-6 meals/day. i do use mrps so that helps get that many meals in. i drink tons of water. 3-4 gallons of water on an average day.

i should have been more specific about what i meant by "i didnt find exactly what i was looking for". i meant i could find info through the search tool on what i need, but nothing in a lagnuage i understood. i dont know the lingo around here, yet. there's a lot of abbreviations here that look like chinese to me so that means what i do find isnt as helpful to me as it would be to someone else. i was hoping that as a beginner in this game reaching my hand out, i could get a solid piece of advice to help me get started. thats all i was looking for.

 

[balla06]

to be honest with you, i have no idea why you think i wouldnt be serious. i havent been around the site very long at all so if i broke some sort of unspoken social rule in this place, you can let me know instead of further confuse me. the search engine worked great but i asked the questions for other reasons, i'll get into that in a minute.

yes, this is my first cycle.

i just changed everything around with my diet and routine. now i train every muscle group 1-2x/week as well as HIIT cardio 5x/week.

i had the cardio cut out for a while - i know i know, if i want to burn fat, gotta do it, etc. i've started again, thats whats important.

diet is balanced meals of whole grain carbs vs. protein. about 5-6 meals/day. i do use mrps so that helps get that many meals in. i drink tons of water. 3-4 gallons of water on an average day.

i should have been more specific about what i meant by "i didnt find exactly what i was looking for". i meant i could find info through the search tool on what i need, but nothing in a lagnuage i understood. i dont know the lingo around here, yet. there's a lot of abbreviations here that look like chinese to me so that means what i do find isnt as helpful to me as it would be to someone else. i was hoping that as a beginner in this game reaching my hand out, i could get a solid piece of advice to help me get started. thats all i was looking for.

dont take the post to heart bro! its all in ur best intrest, smart ass? yes but we get alot of post like this and alot of its n00bs jus askin what cycle to run what does this look like how much how long etc etc etc and ppl dont feel comfortable with jus givin out advice onhow to use aas with out some stats and a little more detail. as far as the longo, browse a bit and u will pick up on it. its more simple then u think most the time. ppl on here r not dicks bro we look out for the best of everyone and health is more important to us. u migh get a smart ass answer like "wow" jus bc its more of a " is this guy really askin this question?" bc a question like that shows no experience to very slim and to us if ur askin questions like that then u shouldnt be using aas jus yet. bros train for YEARS before they touch them. alot of ppl jus think its a magic pill/shot that cuts fat or blows u up. its not like that at all and puttin hormones in ur body is a big step and not somethin ppl should go around doing bc they want a little size or to cut some fat. a little more hard work and adjustment to ur diet and training will do u jus fine, more then u prolly know. but most ppl dont like to hear this and dont wanna put in the extra blood sweat and tears and the little extra time so they think AAS (steroids) is an easy way out and if that si the case, then most ppl here will not help and u will get "wow" answers. im not tryin to be a dick bro at all no pune intended im jus being upfront with u on how most this board works

 

[balla06]

to give u a little help, trinity labs, never heard of it but there is some many UGL (under ground labs) out there its unreal, id say if u trust who u got it from then give it a shot but if not jus consider it money well wasted. there is not a price on ur well being and ur health

generally for a first cycle u would use one compound at a low dose to test the waters and see how ur body reacts to things and bump up from there. aas give sides u have to see what sides u r prone to at what does and what works best for u etc etc etc. more is not always better in this game. everyone is differnt and reacts differnt

its kinda bitch to bulk and cut at the same time its pretty much one or the other. so i would pick which one u wanna do, get rid of the fat and then hit up is what id do. it really all depends on how much fat ur lookin to cut and what BF(bodt fat) % u are


do u understand what one ml is? do u understand how to read the bottle per mg? how many mgs in one cc and how many ml is one cc? if u cant answer this urself then it means u need to train harder ask for advice ontraining and deit and save the gear. shit last for a long as time it will be fine. and what about PCT(post cycle therapy) what do u plan on for that? bc without it ur jus gna lose all ur gains and waste ur health and money. i would suggest putin out the exact cycle of what u plan on running and we will go from there to help u best but u cant jus expect us to write u out a full cycle, u got to put a little more effort in then that

 

[Zuke]

What's up Balla!! Thanks for the kind words I do my best! Now for Rokkinandrollin. At 6'0 and 250lbs the first thing I would go do is get a accurate bodyfat test. At this weight and the fact that you have never cycled before I am betting that you have a high bodyfat % (20%+). So the last thing that you need in Dbol. All that is going to do is bloat and make your muscles even more hard to see!

Oncle you get the bodyfat test done you are now able to see where you stand and how much you have to lose. You are going to need to do cardio and lots of it. I would do 30 minutes first thing in the morning before you eat, This is best to try to get directly to burning fat stores for energy as you have not yet ate. Keep all your nutrients in a 30-40-30 ratio. As well I would start at 3000 calories a day in 6 evenly spaced meals and see where it goes from there. As for training I also like 5-6 days a week.

 

[rokkinandrollin]

great advice guys, i have more to think about than what i previously considered. i havent done the bf% test in a while but let's say i wanted to cut first - it makes sense, right? i probably should shed some more fat before i aim to bulk. at the very least i can display my gains better. i used a bf scale a few months ago and i was around 28% so i im pretty sure im around 25% now.

anyway, clenbuterol is what i've been considering. (i've tried every thermogenic out there - want something new)
Day 1 = 20 mcg (1 tab)
Days 2 - 3 = 40 mcg (2 tabs)
Days 4- 6 = 60 mcg (3 tabs)
Days 7 – 9 = 80 mcg (4 tabs)
Days 10 – 12 = 100 mcg (5 tabs)
Days 13 – 15 = 80 mcg (4 tabs)
Days 16 – 18 = 60 mcg (3 tabs)
Days 19 – 20 = 40 mcg (2 tabs)
Day 21 = 20 mcg (1 tab)

this was a reccommended cycle from one of the sponsors and i thought i would give it a shot. btw, the article suggested taking as much time off of clen as you are on the stuff.

i used to do cardio on an empty stomach but i read in a reliable source that w/i one hour of waking up you should consume some form of protein. would i be keeping extra fat on if i mixed 10-15g of whey isolate after i wake up/before cardio? is that much of a difference?

i also try to avoid carbs w/i a couple hours of bedtime. during the last hour of being awake i usually eat a cup and a half or so of nonfat cottage cheese or a drink 40 g of a casein/whey blend for slow protein digestion. i read an article here by BigA saying we should get 500g of protein/day. damn! thats about 200g more than im getting now! should i change this? remember, i want fat loss.

basically, i have no problem tucking the gear away for a couple months if it's in my best interest. besides, it gives me more time to learn a lot more about AAS. what do you think of this potential cycle?

again, thanks for all your help so far.

 

[IronMike]

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Forget the clen. Clen is ok if you are already at low BF and trying to shed some stubborn fat, but imo marginal when in high percentages. It's no wonder drug either, far from it.

Diet - you're going to need to be more specific. As a rule, though, why don't you try going for 6 meals that look something like 60g protein, 30g carbs, 15 fat (drop carbs for the last meal or two before bed) - but work that out so it totals ~3k cals a day. If you are losing too much, up the carbs slightly. If you're not losing enough, drop the carbs and compensate with fat. Train heavy and sensibly and do cardio 4 times a week.

No cheat days or meals, but one day a weekend you can have a lunch of say Subway or a big rice dish.

Let us know how you go with that. No need for the gear at this point. IronMike

 

[rokkinandrollin]

thanks mike,

i came to everone here for advice and it seems like everyone is reccommending i stay away from gear for a while so i'm gonna trust everyone's opinion and put it away for now.

sounds like a good plan as far as the diet goes. how do you feel about the 10-15g of whey protein i'm drinking in the morning? is this a good idea? bad for weight loss? i was a little more specific in what i was doing in a previous reply in this thread

 

[DOGMA]

If you cant verify your gear and get supporting info from the vet's and mod's I suggest you ditch what you have and order from an approved sponsor..

Please be carefull and research what you put into your body.

I am old guy and was quite foolish when I started and now I am paying the piper so to speak.

Really guy's if your reaserch was good enough and complete about compounds you would not need to ask the simple question's.

Advise is excellent and great info but learning the complete data on the coumpounds you intend to use is knowledge, and that my friend will be your greatest asset.

 

[nosmas]

skip the clen. not for you at this time. plus, some sides you may not be comfortable with.

 

[oldfella]

Hey rockinandrollin, there is excellent advice here and the number one reason i am responding to this is cause you actually listened. very wise decision to leave the gear for now. You have a lot of work to do before you go there! Diet is number one in this game, training is number two, rest is number three and supplements actually figure low on the list. Train hard, train smart, eat harder and smarter and you will not believe the changes you will see. It is not about the drugs bro, it is about time! Quality takes time and committment. Give us that and we'll give you advice! Go hard.

 

[rokkinandrollin]

much respect to everyone who gave up the time to offer me advice.

i'm gonna stick around the boards and resurface once in a while with a question for everyone (after a thorough search) and we'll talk gear again a while from now.

thanks again