Stevehnsn, that's an interesting point you made about Yohimburn. I used it last cycle in the cutting phase and got fair results - it did seem to help. This cycle I'm just coming out of bulking phase and for some reason developed a little extra layer of fat around my middle and "saddle bag" area - not a lot, just a little more than I usually have, even when bulking - not really like "bulging" or anything" just a small layer more than normal. Couldn't figure it out , thought it was just old age or something. Usually keep waist around 32", but my pants are tight and had to go back to my old 34's. I was going to use the Yohimburn this time around too, but based on what you said and my experience I think I will skip it and just do it the "usual" way - diet, T3, etc. Maybe get some of that new Xanadrine EFX stuff or whatever (clen and ephedrine blows my blood preassue thru the roof too). Glad you posted that - learned something. Thanks.