Why 4 week insulin cycles

SteveRogers · Oct 5, 2015

Is there any specific, scientific reason why it's typically recommended to run insulin 4 on/4 off. What about 3 on/3 off? Is 4 weeks the equilibrium of effectiveness vs. potential long term damage?

RamboStallone · Oct 5, 2015

Never heard of that typically recommended. There is no such thing as cycle lengths in my book. Until someone can explain to me why the body gives a crap if you run exogenous hormones for 8 or 12 or 16 weeks, I'll keep running things till I feel like it

I mean really, does the body differentiate between 3 weeks and 4 weeks? Think about that.

little slice · Oct 6, 2015

its to help mitigate the risk of becoming a lard

Zomb131 · Oct 6, 2015

SteveRogers said:
Is there any specific, scientific reason why it's typically recommended to run insulin 4 on/4 off. What about 3 on/3 off? Is 4 weeks the equilibrium of effectiveness vs. potential long term damage?

The 4 week cycle for insulin, I believe, comes from the fear of over using it, and the side effects that ensue.

bca21 · Oct 6, 2015

little slice said:
its to help mitigate the risk of becoming a lard

So you don't get too fat? I know people who use it in prep up until 4 weeks out.

little slice · Oct 6, 2015

bca21 said:
So you don't get too fat? I know people who use it in prep up until 4 weeks out.

basically yeah, id venture to guess that most people who use it do not know how to use it most effectively in conjunction with an optimal diet..

so they are unable to simultaneously maintain insulin sensitivity...so they get fat pretty quick.

the risk of becoming a diabetic from insulin use is rather slight... GH is worse in this regard.

SteveRogers · Oct 6, 2015

RamboStallone said:
Never heard of that typically recommended. There is no such thing as cycle lengths in my book. Until someone can explain to me why the body gives a crap if you run exogenous hormones for 8 or 12 or 16 weeks, I'll keep running things till I feel like it

I mean really, does the body differentiate between 3 weeks and 4 weeks? Think about that.

Agree completely. Even with a blast/cycle, I go into it saying this will be 8 weeks but will always change that depending on blood work, results, etc.--could be longer or shorter.

bca21 · Oct 6, 2015

little slice said:
basically yeah, id venture to guess that most people who use it do not know how to use it most effectively in conjunction with an optimal diet..

so they are unable to simultaneously maintain insulin sensitivity...so they get fat pretty quick.

the risk of becoming a diabetic from insulin use is rather slight... GH is worse in this regard.

Diet is always key

being fat is not fun but is so easy and tasty lol

Zomb131 · Oct 6, 2015

little slice said:
the risk of becoming a diabetic from insulin use is rather slight... GH is worse in this regard.

Please expand on this.

RamboStallone · Oct 6, 2015

little slice said:
basically yeah, id venture to guess that most people who use it do not know how to use it most effectively in conjunction with an optimal diet..

so they are unable to simultaneously maintain insulin sensitivity...so they get fat pretty quick.

the risk of becoming a diabetic from insulin use is rather slight... GH is worse in this regard.

I agree, on 5iu of GH my fasted blood glucose was the highest it had ever been. I have no problems using slin however and I've gone up to 20iu of nov R. GH decreases slin sensitivity for whatever reason. Honestly, slin is not all that bad.

little slice · Oct 6, 2015

Zomb131 said:
Please expand on this.

gh decreases insulin sensitivity

Flexpack215 · Oct 7, 2015

I agree with Rambo here. I typically use slin Mon-Friday and take weekends off but as little slice said "GH decreases insulin sensitivity" so I have always felt the two go together like bread and butter. I don't believe in lengths or cycles of either, as long as your still seeing changes and all is good. Why would temporarily lowering glucose matter? Anyways just my opinion...

Reno911 · Oct 7, 2015

Maybe we can get Meadows to chime in here but I know in the past he's mentioned that you will (or can) quit feeling the increased pump and effect from Slim after about the 4 week mark. This is assuming you are running it 4+ times a week.

IMO and from personal experience, I agree with that and think that you can extend it beyond 4 weeks if you use it a little more sparingly- say 1-2x a week with a weak body part.

PitbullTank · Oct 7, 2015

MA has talked about this a few times ... id search his posts, i learned the little i know of slin from reading his stuff

little slice · Oct 7, 2015

Flexpack215 said:
I agree with Rambo here. I typically use slin Mon-Friday and take weekends off but as little slice said "GH decreases insulin sensitivity" so I have always felt the two go together like bread and butter. I don't believe in lengths or cycles of either, as long as your still seeing changes and all is good. Why would temporarily lowering glucose matter? Anyways just my opinion...

huh?

nfernoo · Oct 7, 2015

Maybe?

I notice myself getting used to the dosages after 4 weeks.
Like zero feeling....

But does this mean you up dose to feel?
No. You're using it to shuttle nutrients and such.
But the decrease in sensitivity has to have something negative effect right?

little slice · Oct 7, 2015

nfernoo said:
Maybe?

But the decrease in sensitivity has to have something negative effect right?

yes, a decrease in insulin sensitivity is a bad thing

ZOFO1973 · Oct 7, 2015

little slice said:
yes, a decrease in insulin sensitivity is a bad thing

Yep, prelude to type II.

Flexpack215 · Oct 8, 2015

little slice said:
huh?

Lol after reading that I probably could have worded it a bit better. In essence, Slin is fine to run long term IMO if your being safe but a few days off in between is a good idea. GH always seems to work better when stacked with slin and I always see better results when combining the two. Few things you can take to up insulin sensitivity is ALA, chromium polynicotinate, fenugreek and magnesium.
Keep the diet clean and you'll be set.