My opinion? I've been on message boards since 2001. They were nothing more than another version of cla, leptigen, andro, dhb, betaalanine, lba, aka something promoted well to make someone $. In this case datbtrue, and all these "research " companies. We are seeing it now with glps on a much larger scale. The newest hyped drugs will never give anything the basics..hard training, recovery, diet, test and gh won't do. Jist a distraction to everyone who is looking for the secret or to add 100 different things to get 2 percent benefit that cant even be seen in the mirror.