Why are more people not doing extremely high protein diets?

[Virtuous]

Late to this thread, but I aim for as much protein as possible - minimum 400g/day at 5’ 11” 220 lbs, try to get more if possible. I get leaner, denser, and stronger if I string together a couple months at 500g/day.

Just anecdotal after years of trial and error.

 

[luki7788]

for sure, when I ate more than 500g of animal protein a day, I was the strongest and regenerated the fastest - when I was younger, I tolerated it very well, but with age, I started to get bloated when I exceed a certain amount of protein

currently I feel perfect on 1.5g/lbs but this amount does not allow me to push the size further and I'm pretty sure that if I increase it to 2g/lbs as I used to, my size would start to increase rapidly

 

[stackdizzy]

So it's really possible | Increasing your muscle mass during a rigorous weight loss diet

If you want to lose weight in a short time but want to keep your muscles and bones intact, you can combine a strict weight loss diet with daily intensive training. If you want to build muscle (and lose even more body fat) at the same time, you also double your protein intake.

www.ergo-log.com

 

[Hyperemia]

it’s really not rocket science and it’s almost comical how complicated people try to make it all seem. Muscle is only built from protein, not carbs or fat. The higher your protein intake, the more muscle you will accrue. I don’t know how I can explain it any simpler…

 

[qbkilla]

So it's really possible | Increasing your muscle mass during a rigorous weight loss diet

If you want to lose weight in a short time but want to keep your muscles and bones intact, you can combine a strict weight loss diet with daily intensive training. If you want to build muscle (and lose even more body fat) at the same time, you also double your protein intake.

www.ergo-log.com

Never saw this site but they have some interesting articles. How did you come across them?

 

[stackdizzy]

Never saw this site but they have some interesting articles. How did you come across them?

Man I honestly don't remember but I have been going to ergo for years. And yes interesting stuff, good place to get lost in for hours!

 

[Virtuous]

Man I honestly don't remember but I have been going to ergo for years. And yes interesting stuff, good place to get lost in for hours!

Yeah you just gave me a rabbit hole I’m gonna run down all weekend lol

 

[jstrong20]

Regardless of studies I know for a fact I do better on higher protein then 1 g per lb of bodyweight. Usually 300g to stay in The low 200 s lean. Even at 44 and I'm not on trt I can maintain that. Lol So maybe it's genes or the high protein.

 

[headtrainer]

I don’t believe for one second that eating high quality protein in high amounts is anything but good for your kidneys. If you ate 400 grams of protein in say venison everyday the rest of your life you woukd be the specimen of health. Start adding fats and sugar regularly and that changes but for instance in prep I eat 500 gems a day or try to and I’m 5’7 my kidney labs are always immaculate now that said I drink water exclusively and have my entire life, hate soda and tea and yes I believe soda will destroy your kidneys and that woukd happen on a low protein diet

I agree with you. I think diabetes and high blood pressure is mostly what harms the kidneys, not protein. But what about people who already have chronic kidney disease? Do you believe consuming a high protein diet leads to a decline in kidney function?

 

[Bio]

I agree with you. I think diabetes and high blood pressure is mostly what harms the kidneys, not protein. But what about people who already have chronic kidney disease? Do you believe consuming a high protein diet leads to a decline in kidney function?

I know this was addressed to marssel but this is where the original studies that stated high protein diets were bad for the kidneys come into play. Decades ago those studies were done on individuals who already had compromised kidneys not healthy individuals!

 

[alfresco]

I know this was addressed to marssel but this is where the original studies that stated high protein diets were bad for the kidneys come into play. Decades ago those studies were done on individuals who already had compromised kidneys not healthy individuals!

Yes.

From what admittingly little I know about high protein diets,
they clearly present a danger for those with an already compromised
kidney function.

However, in normal, otherwise otherwise healthy individuals,
the health risk seems to be largely overblown.

That is not to say it is not without its consequences as any 'excess'
does place a burden on your body to process and or eliminate.

 

[headtrainer]

I know this was addressed to marssel but this is where the original studies that stated high protein diets were bad for the kidneys come into play. Decades ago those studies were done on individuals who already had compromised kidneys not healthy individuals!

My question is does a high protein diet decline kidney function for people who already have chronic kidney disease?

 

[whacked]

High protein Density diet is what took my physique to the next level. Get 50% of your calories from protein and you will dice up for sure. Its not the best for a performance athlete but physique wise and satiation wise it is phenomenal.

Nailed it

 

[qbkilla]

I know this was addressed to marssel but this is where the original studies that stated high protein diets were bad for the kidneys come into play. Decades ago those studies were done on individuals who already had compromised kidneys not healthy individuals!

I've looked into it because I've had some kidney scares and what you stated is consistent with all I have read. I guess the question is though what do they consider compromised kidneys? I'm sure many of us have less than perfect kidneys due to lifestyle. Is there a certain GFR where they say you should watch protein intake? I got a nuclear test done on mine they said they are far from perfect but overall I'm not in any trouble. This was years ago and Ive are 300,g every day since without issue

 

[headtrainer]

Yes.

From what admittingly little I know about high protein diets,
they clearly present a danger for those with an already compromised
kidney function.

However, in normal, otherwise otherwise healthy individuals,
the health risk seems to be largely overblown.

That is not to say it is not without its consequences as any 'excess'
does place a burden on your body to process and or eliminate.

I’m thinking excessive amounts of protein may not be a good thing for those who already have kidney disease. Some kidney specialists say to consume no more than .08 per kg per lb. of body weight. But I think bodybuilders with chronic kidney disease would need more protein than the average person because that protein is being used to repair muscles.

 

[alfresco]

I’m thinking excessive amounts of protein may not be a good thing for those who already have kidney disease. Some kidney specialists say to consume no more than .08 per kg per lb. of body weight. But I think bodybuilders with chronic kidney disease would need more protein than the average person because that protein is being used to repair muscles.

Correct. Not good if kidney diseased.

I don't have a number of an amount per body weight. Will leave that
for those with a bigger brain than mine (easy)

A bodybuilder with kidney disease is playing Russian roulette with a 'high'
protein diet and if me I would be looking for another way to skin the cat.

While a higher than 'normal' amount of protein is necessary for muscle
repair, I think the amount necessary is largely overblow, with fear of too
little protein governing the thought process. (Bodybuilders do have a pre-
disposition toward excesses, i.e., more is better.)

 

[Hyperemia]

While a higher than 'normal' amount of protein is necessary for muscle
repair, I think the amount necessary is largely overblow, with fear of too
little protein governing the thought process. (Bodybuilders do have a pre-
disposition toward excesses, i.e., more is better.)

I understand where you're coming from but the one thing all the monsters on the forum have in common is that they reached that level with high levels of protein. I see many people claim 1g/lb is enough, but none of them are mass monsters. Not to knock anybody, a lot of guys look great and put a lot of work in but it doesn't change the fact that the guys that put the most amount of muscle on (not just weight) are using a diet with copious amounts of protein.

 

[bananas007]

I'll have to read the study that's shocking they lost weight in a surplus. I eat 350-400, it gets expensive but the higher the better as long as you get enough carbs and fats too Never understand the people who try to get by with as little as possible like 1g per lb of bodyweight. Seems more like defiance to me where they wantto say they did it "different" just to be different.

How do you do it. My biggest roadblock is palatability. I can stuff down chicken but consistently getting that much is like having to take medicine

 

[alfresco]

I understand where you're coming from but the one thing all the monsters on the forum have in common is that they reached that level with high levels of protein. I see many people claim 1g/lb is enough, but none of them are mass monsters. Not to knock anybody, a lot of guys look great and put a lot of work in but it doesn't change the fact that the guys that put the most amount of muscle on (not just weight) are using a diet with copious amounts of protein.

Protein requirements are largely corelated to bodyweight.

Clearly, the more you weigh, assuming lean body mass,
plus a bit more, is needed for muscle growth.

I don't know about sustaining protein requirements. I will
assume we get back to percentage of bodyweight, less the
bit more. Again, the more you weigh, the more your muscles,
your body will require.

In my opinion, the only way to truly know if these massive
(my word) amounts of protein is required is through
experimentation, research, studying, using identical twins.
All else in anecdotal IMO.

 

[71JackBoy]

I currently take 300grams of protein a day . Would that be considered high?