Why did people taking DNP die?

[TNH]

the only thing I don't like about DNP is that I look flat as shit on it. No pumps or anything, which means I am just forcing my way through the workouts. I feel much better in the gym when I look pumped. it's a mental thing

Try it with IGF1 LR3 next time. Some say it is a waste, but at only 20mcg per session (I train EOD), I stayed fairly full and got a pump while on DNP.

 

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Try it with IGF1 LR3 next time. Some say it is a waste, but at only 20mcg per session (I train EOD), I stayed fairly full and got a pump while on DNP.

is a pump even possible when you are glycogen depleted? Sometimes I even wonder if it is a waste of time to even lift weights on DNP when being glycogen depleted. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

 

[da0s44]

i always thought dnp's dosing protocol was based on body temperature and not going above 99.1 F. so everyones different. for some, it might take 600mg/day to reach 99.1F whereas others might be able to reach that temp at only 200mg/day.

is this mostly correct or am i smoking crack? haha:headbang:

 

[Oatsnhoes]

i always thought dnp's dosing protocol was based on body temperature and not going above 99.1 F. so everyones different. for some, it might take 600mg/day to reach 99.1F whereas others might be able to reach that temp at only 200mg/day.

is this mostly correct or am i smoking crack? haha:headbang:

Not true at all. I've been on 600mgs and my internal temp didn't go up at all. Some people's temperature has even dropped on lower doses. I'd say the dozing protocol is based on the amount of sides you can handle, if anything

 

[Oatsnhoes]

is a pump even possible when you are glycogen depleted? Sometimes I even wonder if it is a waste of time to even lift weights on DNP when being glycogen depleted. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Pumps are greatly lessened when glycogen depleted of course. But not lifting weights on DNP because of glycogen depletion would be like saying you shouldn't lift weights when in ketosis.

 

[h22tuned]

I Read a study where some person who was taking dnp back in the day died and the coroner started that even after two days after death the bodys temperture had increased! Crazy!

 

[Scott21]

I have a high tolerance, a couple years ago I tried it and went up to 1200 while I was working outside in 98-102 temps. My girlfriend and my other buddy who were on 500 of the same batch felt like they were gonna die at 400 while having an office job in a nice AC circulated building.

 

[mace123]

I have a high tolerance, a couple years ago I tried it and went up to 1200 while I was working outside in 98-102 temps. My girlfriend and my other buddy who were on 500 of the same batch felt like they were gonna die at 400 while having an office job in a nice AC circulated building.

Dont know you or your girlfriend but i would never put my girl on 500mg, just asking for trouble IMO.

Females are gentle creatures and for the most part alot of guys on these forums put em on shit b/c they want them taking whatever it is they are taking and IF you are going to do that, please at least start very very low.

 

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Pumps are greatly lessened when glycogen depleted of course. But not lifting weights on DNP because of glycogen depletion would be like saying you shouldn't lift weights when in ketosis.

awesome username, and good point

 

[Bigballax]

My first post, so thought I'd try and make it useful.

LD50 orally for rats is 30mg/Kg. Rats are tough bastards though, so it's likely in humans to be lower and metabolised differently. With this sort of response, the material is regarded as highly toxic. As a comparison for the non-chemists out there, potassium cyanide has an LD50 in rats of 10mg/kg.

If we had the same metabolism as rats and you weighed 100kg, taking 3000mg, half of you would die. If you're interested in reading further see E. W. Schafer, Toxicol,. Appl. Pharmacol. 21, 315 (1972).

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of bro-science, but as a scientist I could never see myself taking this shit.

Be Well.

 

[Oatsnhoes]

My first post, so thought I'd try and make it useful.

LD50 orally for rats is 30mg/Kg. Rats are tough bastards though, so it's likely in humans to be lower and metabolised differently. With this sort of response, the material is regarded as highly toxic. As a comparison for the non-chemists out there, potassium cyanide has an LD50 in rats of 10mg/kg.

If we had the same metabolism as rats and you weighed 100kg, taking 3000mg, half of you would die. If you're interested in reading further see E. W. Schafer, Toxicol,. Appl. Pharmacol. 21, 315 (1972).

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of bro-science, but as a scientist I could never see myself taking this shit.

Be Well.

Why would you take 3g of DNP tho, recommended dose is 1/8th that. You wouldn't take 1600mg ephedrine in a day would you? Because prob more than half of us would be dead if we did that.

 

[JerBear1980]

Why would you take 3g of DNP tho, recommended dose is 1/8th that. You wouldn't take 1600mg ephedrine in a day would you? Because prob more than half of us would be dead if we did that.

He is just talking about the LD50 in rats.

anyone that takes 250-500mgs a day will lose weight if their diet is in check. Hell even if it isnt you will still lose weight!!

 

[Oatsnhoes]

He is just talking about the LD50 in rats.

anyone that takes 250-500mgs a day will lose weight if their diet is in check. Hell even if it isnt you will still lose weight!!

I know but he then compared it to human use.

 

[LIFTW8S]

I was freaked out about DNP as well after reading several articles and just knowing what it was used for in the past haha.

But running 200mgs wouldn't hurt you, unless you're like an infant haha.

 

[Bigballax]

Unlike ephedrine which is prescribed for human use, DNP is not. As a consequence, there is no 'recommended' dose. And no, don't take 1600mg ephedrine either.

As for taking 3g DNP, I wouldn't take 3mg personally. Remember, those LD50 values are for acute dosing. For chronic dosing in humans.....well this is where the bro-science comes in because they stopped the trials in the 1950's. Some people will tolerate things better than others because we're on a roughly normal distribution.

Here are some more interesting sides for this compound when dosed chronically in animals: along with marked increase in metabolism, wt loss, increased body temperature & profuse sweating, there's the nausea, vomiting, collapse then death. Can also cause cataracts, granulocytopenia, polyneuropathy & exfoliative dermatitus.

Don't let me stop you though, you have the facts, it's your life.

 

[BIG BUDDAMAN]

i had what some people would say a "severely bad allergic reaction" to DNP... i ran 200mg for 3 days then on the 4th or 5th day i started to break out in full body hives... from that point i looked beet red and couldnt stop itching for about 3 days STRAIGHT.... i finally went the ER to find some relief but they couldnt do much more than give me some shots of anti-inflammatory and steroids... DNP can and will fuck you up!!!

 

[Oatsnhoes]

Unlike ephedrine which is prescribed for human use, DNP is not. As a consequence, there is no 'recommended' dose. And no, don't take 1600mg ephedrine either.

As for taking 3g DNP, I wouldn't take 3mg personally. Remember, those LD50 values are for acute dosing. For chronic dosing in humans.....well this is where the bro-science comes in because they stopped the trials in the 1950's. Some people will tolerate things better than others because we're on a roughly normal distribution.

Here are some more interesting sides for this compound when dosed chronically in animals: along with marked increase in metabolism, wt loss, increased body temperature & profuse sweating, there's the nausea, vomiting, collapse then death. Can also cause cataracts, granulocytopenia, polyneuropathy & exfoliative dermatitus.

Don't let me stop you though, you have the facts, it's your life.

I'll be honest the neuropathy does scare me because that is the only one of the supposed "after effect sides" that I have ever heard any first hand reports of I'm human use. All the others are just tall tales.

 

[Stewie Griffon]

People can die on pretty much any meds. You take to much Tylenol and you will destroy your liver which can kill you.
You take way to much DNP an yeah, you can die. Thats about it.
If you are scared of DNP, don't use it.

well said!

 

[epoxy]

the only thing I don't like about DNP is that I look flat as shit on it. No pumps or anything, which means I am just forcing my way through the workouts. I feel much better in the gym when I look pumped. it's a mental thing

Haha I feel you on this but honestly I try not to even think about it. A couple weeks of hell and I don't even stand on the scale or flex in the mirror until about a week after the DNP has cleared my system. I know people at my gym, and they have seen me put up the big numbers, and I know some are looking at me like WTF is wrong with this guy when I'm on 800mg of DNP and I am sweating my ass off yet barely putting up 1/2 of the weight I usually do per exercise. OH WELL. Lost 20lbs in a month on my last DNP cycle and it was totally worth looking and feeling like a piece of shit for that short period of time.

The above post about IGF may be true, might have to try that in the future, but to me thats just cosmetic shit. On high doses I know I'll still be weak as a kitten and I have to suck up my ego for a few weeks and tough it out. All worth it in the end right?

 

[Scott21]

Dont know you or your girlfriend but i would never put my girl on 500mg, just asking for trouble IMO.

Females are gentle creatures and for the most part alot of guys on these forums put em on shit b/c they want them taking whatever it is they are taking and IF you are going to do that, please at least start very very low.

It's my ex. and that bitch was anything but a gentle creature!!