Why did this cycle work SO well?

td1111 · Mar 1, 2009

3 years ago I did my first cycle (12 weeks). I chose:

Primobolan 400mg/wk
EQ 400mg/wk
Var 40mg/day
Arimidex 0.25/day

Now many people would insist on adding in some Test to feel better because of suppression. At the time, I did not know this, but I felt 100% fine on this cycle! And PCT was like nothing! I gained 20-30 lbs and 1" on my calves and biceps(after years of natural training for almost no gains)

I've since done 3 cycles, using combos such as Test/EQ/Dbol, Test/Tren, etc, and every single time I have ended up on a roller coaster forced to use anti-aromatase drugs, and trying to find a balance between puffy nipples and feel thrashed from low estrogen.

I'm wondering about the first cycle.. did the 0.25 of Arimidex/day keep my Test levels in range the whole time? Why did I feel so "normal" with NO side effects, yet enjoyed such amazing gains? I'm feeling like I will have to use this cycle only from now on, but I really did like the results of cutting with Test/Tren, and would not want to have to use EQ on a cutting cycle because of hunger.

Any other good cutting cycle options that don't require Test or Anti-E's?

alecaf · Mar 1, 2009

the first cycle doesn't matter what you take it will work amazingly.

taslajrisi · Mar 1, 2009

good cycle

Thats a good safe cycle. I know what you mean. There is a no one size fits all for cycles because everyone is different. I lean towards the no aromatize AAS like primo, masteron, proviron, anavar etc. even eq does not aromatize much at all. If you substitute proviron in place of the a-dex, I think it would be better. Those aas are no/low suppression aas so you really do not need an strong ai like a-dex. I know what you mean battling the estrogen and the yo-yo effect of a strong cycle. I love primo/var or OT, proviron or materon cycles even with no test. I would rather try to keep endogenous test up with HCG if necessary. I hate being shut down and I will never let my balls become atrophy again because you need strong pct and serms are not enough for me. My last cycle I did test enan, deca and it shut me down completely and I used letro on cycle which killed my libido to nothing even with the test.

I know everyone says that test as a base on every cycle no matter what but my experience would be only if you are using an aas like deca, tren, anadrol etc. that shut you down hard do you need the test base. The test/deca cycle I got good gains but dealing with the prolactin and estrogen just sucks because these really shut down the hpta. Everyone is different and I know lots of guys like and do well on the strong stuff but you need the ancillaries plus strong pct to avoid crash. I got tired of the yo-yo plus im 40 now so i like the milder stuff plus use either proviron or sublingual test prop for androgen support. Yes, your first cycles is usually the most effective also. I just don't look or feel good on the strong stuff even with an AI or nolva etc. Just can't handle it these days plus i worry a lot so i lean toward the mild stuff. The only strong aas I really like is low dose d-bol because its so effective, cheap, and makes you feel good.

On your first cycle, you probably did not get shut down but only suppressed maybe only a bit so you kept most of your gains and did not crash afterwards. Test, tren, and var have direct fat burning properites. Winstrol is good but it kills most peoples lipid profile (it did mine).

ronnie0072 · Mar 2, 2009

alecaf said:
the first cycle doesn't matter what you take it will work amazingly.

Yep 1st cycle is always the best one. Maybe you dont respond well to test. Maybe your a guy that would respnd better to slin and peptides

xxsuprman22xx · Mar 2, 2009

intresting cycle for 1st cycle, however as said b4 - the first cycle usually offers the biggest bang

xxsuprman22xx · Mar 2, 2009

i'll probablly get bashed for this but tren winny is amazing imo

Nssca · Mar 2, 2009

td1111 said:
3 years ago I did my first cycle (12 weeks). I chose:

Primobolan 400mg/wk
EQ 400mg/wk
Var 40mg/day
Arimidex 0.25/day

Now many people would insist on adding in some Test to feel better because of suppression. At the time, I did not know this, but I felt 100% fine on this cycle! And PCT was like nothing! I gained 20-30 lbs and 1" on my calves and biceps(after years of natural training for almost no gains)

I've since done 3 cycles, using combos such as Test/EQ/Dbol, Test/Tren, etc, and every single time I have ended up on a roller coaster forced to use anti-aromatase drugs, and trying to find a balance between puffy nipples and feel thrashed from low estrogen.

I'm wondering about the first cycle.. did the 0.25 of Arimidex/day keep my Test levels in range the whole time? Why did I feel so "normal" with NO side effects, yet enjoyed such amazing gains? I'm feeling like I will have to use this cycle only from now on, but I really did like the results of cutting with Test/Tren, and would not want to have to use EQ on a cutting cycle because of hunger.

Any other good cutting cycle options that don't require Test or Anti-E's?

As said before, its just because it was your first time taking anabolics of any kind. My first time all I took was one Infar Sust 250mg a week for 12 weeks and made better gains than all the years training natural combined.

RONJON · Mar 2, 2009

because it was the first one bro

Paul Bunyan · Mar 2, 2009

You aren't going to make those kind of gains on every cycle. A better question would be, how many of those 20-30lbs have you kept?

PB

Metal · Mar 2, 2009

I remember my 1st cycle... 75mg Tren A eod, 40mg Dbol everyday for the 1st 10 weeks and 500mg Test e per week, for 20 weeks. GOD!!!! I got huge. I massed about 45lbs.

I agree, 1st cycle, you will notice the best affect