Why does all gear now hurt ?

[gains4000]

guys virtue signaling against glp1 use(making dietary choices/discipline easier)..
while jamming 5-10x(or more) the biological amount of test into their ass..
all for the objective of.. .. wait for it.. to make muscle and strength gains easier..

if youre tough enough to stick to a diet, then youre tough enough to lift without gear.

end of day, 'bodybuilding/fitness' is a drug/drug-addicts hobby... nothing is off the table.

Getting freakishly big requires AAS use. Getting lean just takes fork put downs.

Terrible analogy bro.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

I wouldn’t post anything negative about sources out in the open. PM’s better place for your opinion

You're making sponsors sound like a protected class…..

 

[stackdizzy]

Man if you experienced Brovel tha shit was hit or miss pip but when it was bad it was bad.

 

[abt10]

Getting freakishly big requires AAS use. Getting lean just takes fork put downs.

Terrible analogy bro.

where you are wrong is this.. no one on this board is getting freakishly big.
this isnt 1998 or 2010. everyone here is nearing 60 or over.
at most, the goal is to 'look good while naked' or have an athletic physique.
the glp-1 virtue signal guy has confessed as much.
i see 40-50+ yo in my area who just eat good and would probably dust the glp-1-virtue guy in
a physique contest.. they can do so without gear.. most dont even take supplements.
genetics reign supreme here.
anyway... shawn baker has proved gear isnt needed for an athletic physique..
so if glp1-virtue guy is disciplined, then why is he taking gear to obtain physiques that are obtainable
by the super disciplined ?
instead glp1-virtue guy just wants to stand on his soap box, trying to seperate himself .
its like he's finally found something to make him feel better than the 'varsity atheletes' he once
wished he could be like.

keep in mind, im not the one saying the next addict is a worse addict because they take xyz more than i do.
its the glp1-virtue guy who always has to point out he's better than those who take glp1s.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

Truth is, I would bury you in any fitness, strength, physique metric.

I believe this was said to @qbkilla

Have any metrics been provided?

No dog in this fight. Just inquiring

 

[BALDNAZI]

Yikes, that would be a shame and unintentional consequence of so many guys jumping on the glp hype train. Loading up on drugs to make eating right less "difficult " ( not my words)...resulting in a worse market for drugs that provide an actual benefit.

You’re very anti peptide. Just an observation I see in your posts over time. Any particular reason?

 

[Zamun]

You’re very anti peptide. Just an observation I see in your posts over time. Any particular reason?

They killed his parents.

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

How long has this been happening for? Maybe you have an immune system problem.. the only time I get pip is when I am sick

This is a great point… I have found some guys, rare, don’t tolerate MCT well. Or may do okay with it for a bit than may not

But all my preps when I was competing towards the end every damn shot caused PIP. Which was from immune system being beaten up from the prep

I remember have a conversation with someone who was extremely advanced in biology and chemistry. He had explained just as you said, PIP can be caused by solvents etc. But often due to the immune system

At the end of the day, we are injecting foreign substances into the body and it has to process and absorb it in some way and that is stress on the system

 

[Elvia1023]

I don't get pain from any gear. Although I might if I injected large amounts of shorter esters but I don't these days so it's not something I have experienced for a long time. As posted it could just be an allergic reaction from the carrier oil or solvent used. There are some issues with raws but it doesn't have to mean they hurt more and it's probably just because of a certain ingredient you don't respond well to. If you always responded well to GSO you could use sponsors that just use that and see how you get on. Some people respond badly to MCT based products and they are popular these days so it could just be that. As posted your immune system (causing sensitivity and reactions) can also be a factor as well. I am sure many have heard of guys who could run x compound (tren, bold, hgh etc) at high doses for years with no issues then they try again and their body simply doesn't react to it the same.

 

[LK3]

notes on mct oil.

over the course of the last 25 years i have i used several different oils, first gse, then safflower then mct.
in each case the change was made after much personal testing and testing with a group i was close with. mct oil was the final as in all cases it was superior.

from what i know animal was the one to really go after mct oil and it was because of its viscosity, holding properties and the fact the no one seemed to be alergic like with gse. there is all types of mct out there, you want a high quality veg based oil, they are not cheap. i dont live in the states but a 475 ml bottle costs me more then 40 bucks. i have never run into anyone having an issue with this sort of oil.

i have had several people who thought they had an issue with oil but it was actually due to solvents.

the only reason i post this is because i see people posting about mct but i really dont think the mct is the issue, maybe its just quality.

 

[hawkmoon]

guys virtue signaling against glp1 use(making dietary choices/discipline easier)..
while jamming 5-10x(or more) the biological amount of test into their ass..
all for the objective of.. .. wait for it.. to make muscle and strength gains easier..

if youre tough enough to stick to a diet, then youre tough enough to lift without gear.

end of day, 'bodybuilding/fitness' is a drug/drug-addicts hobby... nothing is off the table.

This is a false equivalency.

Gear allows us to greatly exceed natural biological limits. No amount of perfect training, eating, or recovery will allow a human to achieve the lean mass/density possible on PEDs. Willpower and discipline alone cannot make someone 200lb+ and shredded at under 6'.
GLP-1s, on the other hand, primarily manage food noise and metabolic signaling. They do not do anything that someone with elite-level discipline cannot do naturally. Willpower can achieve a calorie deficit; willpower cannot achieve supra-physiological protein synthesis.

One manages the effort; the other expands the biological ceiling.

People abusing gear because they are lazy is a different matter and I would hope those people are over on TikTok - not here.

 

[luki7788]

Yikes, that would be a shame and unintentional consequence of so many guys jumping on the glp hype train. Loading up on drugs to make eating right less "difficult " ( not my words)...resulting in a worse market for drugs that provide an actual benefit.

I absolutely don’t agree with that. Many bodybuilders, including me, use retatrutide not to suppress appetite, but for the health benefits. Things like kidney health, liver health, cholesterol, inflammation control, and many other benefits that drugs from this group can offer.

So looking at it only as an appetite suppressant is a misunderstanding. Maybe that would make more sense with GLP-1 but retatrutide, because of the glucagon pathway, is different and should be viewed differently.

It offers so many potential health benefits. Honestly, I wasn’t convinced at first either, but after using it and seeing how much it improved my health markers, I became a big fan.

 

[hawkmoon]

I absolutely don’t agree with that. Many bodybuilders, including me, use retatrutide not to suppress appetite, but for the health benefits. Things like kidney health, liver health, cholesterol, inflammation control, and many other benefits that drugs from this group can offer.

So looking at it only as an appetite suppressant is a misunderstanding. Maybe that would make more sense with GLP-1 but retatrutide, because of the glucagon pathway, is different and should be viewed differently.

It offers so many potential health benefits. Honestly, I wasn’t convinced at first either, but after using it and seeing how much it improved my health markers, I became a big fan.

Same.

I have been using reta for quite a while now at 0.5mg weekly and have ZERO interest in the weight loss benefits. In fact the last thing I want is slowed gastic emptying.
It has also helped reverse some SIBO damage inlcuding restoring my appetite somewhat - the opposite of what some might expect.

Reta HAS however significantly improved my blood work.
It can also mitigate LVH (theorized due to weight loss, but not certain, so...), something we alll face to some degree.

 

[qbkilla]

You’re very anti peptide. Just an observation I see in your posts over time. Any particular reason?

Tbh...a number of reasons. I guess over the past 6-7 year's I've become a bit jaded to the whole idea of how we view drugs and supplements. I spun my wheels for many years from age 16 to 35ish...looking back...I was very focused on drugs and supplements and the magic combination. Once I ditched all that...less drugs...less supps...focused more on executing my diet and training 100% day in day out...now I'm finally looking the way I like...making progress in the gym..for me drugs and supplements just distracted me from the true big rocks...and less has infact been more.

But im open and have slowly begun to research some peptides..but in general I think they are overhyped. Especially if people are putting them above aas on the hierarchy of importance. I honestly alot of guys would say that peptides are more important than gear for creating a good physique...I do not agree..as imo building lean tissue Especially for people with many training years is far more difficult than losing fat, staying lean when gaining, keeping bg and bw in check..etc. just my opinion...could be different in a year lol

 

[Dens228]

I've recently experienced some pretty bad pip after not dealing with it at all for years.
I switched to a new sponsor, just to try it. The gear works but damn that pip. I've been low dose for quite some time using daily injections.
With my recent knee surgery I cut it back even more using an insulin syringe and doing 20 units per day, but now 10 units a day of just test E. Even a tiny 10 units causes pip. Recently one of the injections caused a huge knot on top of that.
Back to my other sponsor.

 

[luki7788]

I've recently experienced some pretty bad pip after not dealing with it at all for years.
I switched to a new sponsor, just to try it. The gear works but damn that pip. I've been low dose for quite some time using daily injections.
With my recent knee surgery I cut it back even more using an insulin syringe and doing 20 units per day, but now 10 units a day of just test E. Even a tiny 10 units causes pip. Recently one of the injections caused a huge knot on top of that.
Back to my other sponsor.

I think what you’re talking about is very important. These days many people use insulin syringes with short needles. In the past, we all used longer needles and this wasn’t such a common issue.
People forget that oil-based injections, like testosterone and most other compounds we use, are meant to be injected deep intramuscularly. Even small amounts, if injected too shallow, can cause irritation and inflammation.

I think a lot of people forget about that.

 

[Dens228]

I think what you’re talking about is very important. These days many people use insulin syringes with short needles. In the past, we all used longer needles and this wasn’t such a common issue.
People forget that oil-based injections, like testosterone and most other compounds we use, are meant to be injected deep intramuscularly. Even small amounts, if injected too shallow, can cause irritation and inflammation.

I think a lot of people forget about that.

Very good point, and one I've considered. Problem is that with my other sponsor it caused no issue. I think I'll go back to twice weekly with a regular syringe and see how it goes.

 

[Massive G]

notes on mct oil.

over the course of the last 25 years i have i used several different oils, first gse, then safflower then mct.
in each case the change was made after much personal testing and testing with a group i was close with. mct oil was the final as in all cases it was superior.

from what i know animal was the one to really go after mct oil and it was because of its viscosity, holding properties and the fact the no one seemed to be alergic like with gse. there is all types of mct out there, you want a high quality veg based oil, they are not cheap. i dont live in the states but a 475 ml bottle costs me more then 40 bucks. i have never run into anyone having an issue with this sort of oil.

i have had several people who thought they had an issue with oil but it was actually due to solvents.

the only reason i post this is because i see people posting about mct but i really dont think the mct is the issue, maybe its just quality.

MCT oil by itself may not be an issue. A lot of sources add/use EO as a crutch to keep oils thin and smooth and to help the ease of manufacturing.

 

[Massive G]

Very good point, and one I've considered. Problem is that with my other sponsor it caused no issue. I think I'll go back to twice weekly with a regular syringe and see how it goes.

I always have used a subq shot with a small amount of gear when switching to a new supplier. If .2. CC hurts and is red and itchy, you are in world of trouble jamming a 3 cc depot deep in an IM injection.

 

[Massive G]

Tbh...a number of reasons. I guess over the past 6-7 year's I've become a bit jaded to the whole idea of how we view drugs and supplements. I spun my wheels for many years from age 16 to 35ish...looking back...I was very focused on drugs and supplements and the magic combination. Once I ditched all that...less drugs...less supps...focused more on executing my diet and training 100% day in day out...now I'm finally looking the way I like...making progress in the gym..for me drugs and supplements just distracted me from the true big rocks...and less has infact been more.

But im open and have slowly begun to research some peptides..but in general I think they are overhyped. Especially if people are putting them above aas on the hierarchy of importance. I honestly alot of guys would say that peptides are more important than gear for creating a good physique...I do not agree..as imo building lean tissue Especially for people with many training years is far more difficult than losing fat, staying lean when gaining, keeping bg and bw in check..etc. just my opinion...could be different in a year lol

Not so long ago people came to the boards to learn how to train and eat and recuperate naturally. We called it reaching your natural limit. When you have exhausted every avenue and gains stopped they would turn to the dark side as we called. Once you started the juice you started out slow with the basics testosterone, then add in an anabolic then an oral. Insulin and GH weren't really a factor. Alot of guys in those days would hit t3 clen ephedrine for fat loss. Then we started seeing the magic toxic steroids to the arsenal tren super drol etc. Based on supply and cost many of us didn't have the option to chose GH and used slin to break barriers. I myself didn't get to HGH until I was 35. Serostim was all over the boards in the mid 2000s for 3 to 400 a kit because the market was saturated from HIV patients selling them as they got 4 kits a month free. Also had BTG var back then 20 mg tablets. Peptides are a tool that can be useful if you use them the right way. I see a lot of abuse especially on slu-pp-332 and it's going to lead to a lot of heart problems and maybe even some deaths eventually as are those regular guys taking 20 to 30 ius of GH a day. Peptides can be amazing as you age especially mots-c and SS31. Retatrutide and tirzepatide should be used as a tool for health and not for extreme weight loss if you are a bodybuilder and have all the other boxes checked diet supps drugs training recuperating methods etc. Also we had dedicated time off from AAS and didn't shrink up to nothing. Yea we lost some size strength and tone but the next cycle after being off would be almost euphoric.