Why Not Mix IGF1 With Bac Water?

Boxer66 · Jul 14, 2011

Okay. I know everyone says to mix IGF1 LR3 or DES with Acetic Acid. Well, I'm concerned about AA and it's ability to damage muscle tissue. I'm sure most of you know about the sting AA creates.........

So.........why can't you mix IGF with Bacteriostatic Water?? 1 bottle of IGF should last about 20 days, so how could IGF lose that much potency in 20 days? Have any of you researched IGF with BW, and did you notice any different results than using AA? Thanks!:star-:ars

956Vette · Jul 14, 2011

Boxer66 said:
Okay. I know everyone says to mix IGF1 LR3 or DES with Acetic Acid. Well, I'm concerned about AA and it's ability to damage muscle tissue. I'm sure most of you know about the sting AA creates.........

So.........why can't you mix IGF with Bacteriostatic Water?? 1 bottle of IGF should last about 20 days, so how could IGF lose that much potency in 20 days? Have any of you researched IGF with BW, and did you notice any different results than using AA? Thanks!:star-:ars

diluted vinegar is what we are talking, not injecting potent acid direct to the muscle like a goof

go ahead and mix with bact water or bact nacl

Boxer66 · Jul 15, 2011

956Vette said:
diluted vinegar is what we are talking, not injecting potent acid direct to the muscle like a goof

go ahead and mix with bact water or bact nacl

I realize AA is not potent acid, but I have read a few things on it's effect on muscle tissue degradation, and I still can't state that what I read was 100% accurate.
Since this is such a truly "in the process" research, we might find years down the road that BW was okay to use.

MantusJohn · Jul 15, 2011

I always mixed with BS water

FIRE0808 · Jul 15, 2011

I have NEVER use AA before on all my IGF. Even with Bac, the IGF still works.

osiris · Jul 15, 2011

FIRE0808 said:
I have NEVER use AA before on all my IGF. Even with Bac, the IGF still works.

Years ago i used AA. It does cause some cellular damage and the purpose of site injecting is to cause localized cellular growth and JUST POSSIBLY recruit some satellite cells and have them become muscle cells. Now if that is our goal and it has now been proven that IGF will recon with BW and work effectively, WHY would we use something that at a minimum, COULD hinder our efforts at local growth.

Boxer66 · Jul 15, 2011

Thanks for all your replies. They make sense. You definitely don't want to cause any tissue damage when the whole purpose of bodybuilding is to increase muscle growth.

carpejohn · Jul 15, 2011

Just wondering how you incorporate that into 3 day split routine? considering only good for about 20 days recon in BW.

3 days a week * 4 weeks = 12 days out of 28 days used
12 days * 50mcg = 600mcg or 0.6mg

Also has to be in fridge if recon in BW right? If recon in AA it lasts for up to a year at 71F room temp.

If I recon in AA 0.6% then take 5iu(50mcg in 1ml syringe) and backload with 40iu BW wouldn't that make it safe enough not to cause cell damage?

Thanks for your time!

-Z- · Jul 15, 2011

Are you guys pre loading and freezing pins?

I did that when I first started using AA, but haven't frozen with Bac Water and it seems fine.

osiris · Jul 15, 2011

-Z- said:
Are you guys pre loading and freezing pins?

I did that when I first started using AA, but haven't frozen with Bac Water and it seems fine.

Why?=-)

People get wrapped up on this 20 day number. Ok it BEGINS degradng in 20 days after reconstitution. Guess what guys, its not at 100% on day 19 and day 21, its at 0%. It goes down a minute amount each day yes.....minute amount.

Ok AA = Acetic Acid. right? So we dilute acid. There is still the possibility that it will cause cellular damage. To each their own.

As for how i work it into a 3 day split like DC. Well i take enough that in 5 workouts i am done with a bottle and on the blast phase i am starting, it will be more like 2.5 workouts and i am done=-)

-Z- · Jul 15, 2011

osiris said:
Why?=-)

People get wrapped up on this 20 day number. Ok it BEGINS degradng in 20 days after reconstitution. Guess what guys, its not at 100% on day 19 and day 21, its at 0%. It goes down a minute amount each day yes.....minute amount.

Ok AA = Acetic Acid. right? So we dilute acid. There is still the possibility that it will cause cellular damage. To each their own.

As for how i work it into a 3 day split like DC. Well i take enough that in 5 workouts i am done with a bottle and on the blast phase i am starting, it will be more like 2.5 workouts and i am done=-)

Yeah I figured it wasn't an issue, BTW 200mcg's pre-wo is the shit. Megadose is the way to go.

osiris · Jul 15, 2011

-Z- said:
Yeah I figured it wasn't an issue, BTW 200mcg's pre-wo is the shit. Megadose is the way to go.

Yeah bud, i am torn right now between either 333mcg(one bottle per three qworkouts or just say 400mcg and go for it.

rockstar3000 · Jul 15, 2011

osiris said:
Yeah bud, i am torn right now between either 333mcg(one bottle per three qworkouts or just say 400mcg and go for it.

400!!! and go for it :headbang:

carpejohn · Jul 15, 2011

Then recon with BW I will do going forward. Then 200mcg per workout it is! Done and Done.

Thanks for the great info you guys!

osiris · Jul 15, 2011

rockstar3000 said:
400!!! and go for it :headbang:

When my kit from Ergopep comes maybe i will post up a picture of just how much i love their products. NOOOOO i will not be naked doing naughty things to them=-)

Movin_weight · Jul 16, 2011

I've recon with both and never noticed a difference. Also gotta agree with Osiris and others about the higher dosing. At 70-80mcg I was disappointed... And thought lr3 was a better choice. But 200 of DES is very nice pre