WILLLIAM LIEWELLIN 22 WEEK CYCLE!IS REALITY???

[nasser3]

Hello my friends!

In anabolics 2005 book , LIEWELLIN write this long cycle:

WEEK 1-6 : 400 mg testo propionate + 100 mg anadrol/daily
WEEK 7-12: 225 mg trenolone + 400 mg primobolan
WEEK 13 -18: 400 mg durabolin + 40 mg dianabol/daily
WEEK 19 -22: 400 mg testo propionate + 225 mg trenbolone + 400 mg primobolan


What do you think?
Is a good cycle?
Can a body builder used steroids for 22 weeks ?

 

[confuzed_guy2000]

Can a body builder used steroids for 22 weeks ?

Yep....

 

[ALLEX]

Unless you have more than 2000 points, is a moderator or something you can't mention these cycles here without folks saying you're crazy and some kid will die trying it... but yes, they do long cycles...

 

[rl3355]

damn that's a lot of gear. Isnt' it true that the longer the cycle the less gear one should use on a weekly basis?

 

[BIG DUB]

It's long but not bad actually. The dosages are not high at all.

 

[bigbadasian]

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It's long but not bad actually. The dosages are not high at all.

except for the 100mgs of a50 a day for 6 weeks straight!

 

[BIG DUB]

except for the 100mgs of a50 a day for 6 weeks straight!

Dosing for anadrol,will always appear high, 1-2mg/kg of bdy wt. and even up to 5mg per kg. A normal course of therapy is 3-6 months.

 

[terryd5150]

Hmmm....really?

Dosing for anadrol,will always appear high, 1-2mg/kg of bdy wt. and even up to 5mg per kg. A normal course of therapy is 3-6 months.

That's too long to be running 100mgs anadrol ED.


That cycle that was outlined looked like it sucks. Dropping test and replacing it with tren? Hmmm, I guess your own pair of tits could be fun.



But to say the the cycle is too long? No. You can use year-round if you like. You will probably make better (read: more permanent) gains that way. But don't use an assload of compounds and keep the dosages within a reasonable range (a gram a week of test is not reasonable for year-round use).

 

[BIG DUB]

That's too long to be running 100mgs anadrol ED.


That cycle that was outlined looked like it sucks. Dropping test and replacing it with tren? Hmmm, I guess your own pair of tits could be fun.



But to say the the cycle is too long? No. You can use year-round if you like. You will probably make better (read: more permanent) gains that way. But don't use an assload of compounds and keep the dosages within a reasonable range (a gram a week of test is not reasonable for year-round use).

3-6 months according to the drug information index I was reading. The tren and primo does'nt convert so estrogen should 'nt be an issue at all.

 

[dragonfire101]

does't look bad at all accept weeks 13-18 you experience some deca dick since ther is no test i n hose weeks and your running deca.

 

[StudHammer]

Can a body builder used steroids for 22 weeks ?

My cycles are measured in months, not weeks.

 

[terryd5150]

Yes, you are right on that one, but...

3-6 months according to the drug information index I was reading. The tren and primo does'nt convert so estrogen should 'nt be an issue at all.

With dropping levels of test it would be a bad idea to start asking for progesterone-related sides (from the tren).

3-6 months from the adrol probably wasn't aimed at 100 MG/ED on the drug description!

 

[KillerStack]

3-6 months from the adrol probably wasn't aimed at 100 MG/ED on the drug description!

There is a German study with 150mg ED for 6 months and no liver problems. For anemia it has been used for years continuously, one girl used it for 10 years and then developed a liver tumor. Of course, there are some people who don't tolerate Anadrol. I believe it's genetic. Better be safe than sorry for sure and limit its use as much as possible.

 

[terryd5150]

Yes, with anemia you are probably safe at that dose...

There is a German study with 150mg ED for 6 months and no liver problems. For anemia it has been used for years continuously, one girl used it for 10 years and then developed a liver tumor. Of course, there are some people who don't tolerate Anadrol. I believe it's genetic. Better be safe than sorry for sure and limit its use as much as possible.

But if your body has no problem with RBC count then you are asking for trouble at that dose.

 

[KillerStack]

But if your body has no problem with RBC count then you are asking for trouble at that dose.

Well, that's an altogether different side. Most steroids cause this as well. Just ask Massive G about this.

Here's an interesting study done elderly people. They received either 50 or 100mg of Anadrol ED for 12 weeks. They were 65 to 80 years old!

Here's what they say about the safety:

Liver transaminases (AST and ALT) increased only in the 100 mg/day treatment group. However, these changes were modest, and subjects remained asymptomatic and had no hepatic enlargement or evidence of cholestasis. There were no changes in total or LDL-cholesterol or fasting triglycerides, but HDL-cholesterol decreased significantly in the two oxymetholone groups (-19 ± 9 and -23 ± 18 mg/dl). Androgen effects on plasma lipids depend on the dose, route of administration, and type of androgen used (aromatizable or not). Thus nonaromatizable, orally administered androgens such as oxymetholone are expected to produce greater reductions in plasma HDL cholesterol than aromatizable testosterone (16, 54). Hematocrit did not increase significantly in the study groups, but this lack of change may have been related to phlebotomy for the collection of multiple specimens.

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/284/1/E120?ck=nck

 

[BIG DUB]

I have always wondered if an increase in hematocrit is time induced and/or dose induced. One study i have read said that for testoterone an increase in hematocrit was observed at week 16. For Deca in a drug information book I noted that hematocrit was increased at 3 - 6 months with only a 200mg dose,and the effects lasted 30 days after stimulation.. The doses most commonly uses are 3 - 4 times this for both test and deca and there stacked.. I wonder in this would initiate a faster time frame for red blood cell increases?

 

[Xanthine]

I'd much rather (and do) run Test by itself (along with 0.5mg - 1mg Letro EOD) for that long or longer. It's far more predictable.

 

[terryd5150]

No it isn't....

Well, that's an altogether different side. Most steroids cause this as well. Just ask Massive G about this.

Here's an interesting study done elderly people. They received either 50 or 100mg of Anadrol ED for 12 weeks. They were 65 to 80 years old!

it's a very good reason NOT to run Adrol for that dose/time. Most steroids do cause an increase in RBC's but not to the degree than Anadrol (or EQ) do. I don't have to ask Massive G?


You can't look at studies on elderly or anemics or AIDS patients to get information on how to apply these drugs in a BB context. These folks all have DEFICIENTCIES for which the drugs are TREATMENT. The effect in a healthy subject will be different.

 

[KillerStack]

it's a very good reason NOT to run Adrol for that dose/time. Most steroids do cause an increase in RBC's but not to the degree than Anadrol (or EQ) do. I don't have to ask Massive G?


You can't look at studies on elderly or anemics or AIDS patients to get information on how to apply these drugs in a BB context. These folks all have DEFICIENTCIES for which the drugs are TREATMENT. The effect in a healthy subject will be different.

Regarding the first point you may be right, I'm not sure. I haven't seen data on it though, either on Anadrol compared to other orals in similar dosages or EQ compared with, say , Deca or Test. I have seen this discussed some and no conclusion or proof has been shown that these drugs are much more potent at inducing high hematocrit. If you have data I'd like to see it. I know Massive G has talked about Test even in HRT doses driving hematocrit too high. I wouldn't be surprised if Anadrol wasn't any more potent than something like Dianabol in a similar dosage but I could be wrong.

The second point. You are right that the studies are not always relevant but I suspect a sick or elderly frail person would be more sensitive to something like liver toxicity. A young healthy body usually copes better with any stressor.

 

[terryd5150]

My comments are in bold:

... I have seen this discussed some and no conclusion or proof has been shown that these drugs are much more potent at inducing high hematocrit. If you have data I'd like to see it....

Do a search, it has been covered on here before.


The second point. You are right that the studies are not always relevant but I suspect a sick or elderly frail person would be more sensitive to something like liver toxicity. A young healthy body usually copes better with any stressor.

I still don't think you understand what I'm saying...the point isn't JUST liver toxicity, it's the overall effect on a person's health. You can cite whatever studies you'd like on people who are in TREATMENT for whatever problem and say "it didn't hurt these folks" but remember these folks had a problem that required treatment to begin with.

RBC's in elderly? They usually have lower levels to start with so of course theirs isn't going to show the same problems with it that a 20/30 year old male would. Ever notice why vitamins for the elderly have iron and the regular men's versions do not? Hmmm...

Trying to cite these types of studies to justify insane dosages in a BB context is just plain irresponsible and dangerous. But, hey, it's your body do what you will...