World Record Powerlifter Now Janae Kroc Interview

[LATS]

I'll find the study where it shows if they get therapy for a alloted amount of time the vast majority don't decide to transition.. then the suicide rate dropped dramatically

 

[LATS]

This shows upwards of 50 percent attempted suicide..

 

[LATS]

It's sad.. 20 times the national average after surgery..

Sex Reassignment Doesn’t Work. Here Is the Evidence.

Sex “reassignment” doesn’t work. It’s impossible to “reassign” someone’s sex physically, and attempting to do so doesn’t produce good outcomes psychosocially.

www.heritage.org

 

[OuchThatHurts]

This is in no way meant to condemn or approve since I believe it is within each of our rights to make that choice for ourselves.

But I'm just going to leave this here. This is a study of over 5,000 trans women and over 3,000 trans men, 49 of whom died by suicide. 49 out of over 8,000 over a period of several years. This shows us two things: that although in the trans population, suicide rates decreased, unfortunately the suicide rate is still higher than the general population. This seems to correspond to the gender conflicts within the individual and increased rates of mental illness among such populations.

I don't think it wise to gleen too much from these results however, as someone experiencing such an extreme gender conflict as to warrant reassignment are perfectly healthy and well-adjusted individuals except for their gender. I have not seen that to be the case although my experience of transgenderism is extremely limited.

What I do know is that in order for the transgender community to be successful, it will require that they be given the kind of love and support that all human beings are entitled to without prejudice and I just don't believe people in the general population to be capable of it. Again, sad as it may be, this thread is indicative (as are so many other indicators) of the very real possibility that the successful integration of the transgender community may not now nor may ever be possible at all.

Results​

Out of 5107 trans women (median age at first visit 28 years, median follow‐up time 10 years) and 3156 trans men (median age at first visit 20 years, median follow‐up time 5 years), 41 trans women and 8 trans men died by suicide. In trans women, suicide deaths decreased over time, while it did not change in trans men. Of all suicide deaths, 14 people were no longer in treatment, 35 were in treatment in the previous two years. The mean number of suicides in the years 2013–2017 was higher in the trans population compared with the Dutch population.

Conclusions​

We observed no increase in suicide death risk over time and even a decrease in suicide death risk in trans women. However, the suicide risk in transgender people is higher than in the general population and seems to occur during every stage of transitioning. It is important to have specific attention for suicide risk in the counseling of this population and in providing suicide prevention programs.

Trends in suicide death risk in transgender people: results from the Amsterdam Cohort of Gender Dysphoria study (1972–2017)

This study explored the overall suicide death rate, the incidence over time, and the stage in transition where suicide deaths were observed in transgender people.A chart study, including all 8263 referrals to our clinic since 1972. Information on death ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Reno911]

I've followed Kroc's career since way back on Elite FTS with the insane weight cuts and driving 16 penny nails into his biceps with his bare hand.

What I don't understand is how he's afforded all this. Yes, he's a pharmacist and has had a few contracts but paying for 3 kids, hundreds of thousands in surgeries, hormones, doctor specialists, etc and now opening a new gym I'm just not sure where all the $$ has come from.

 

[qbkilla]

This is in no way meant to condemn or approve since I believe it is within each of our rights to make that choice for ourselves.

But I'm just going to leave this here. This is a study of over 5,000 trans women and over 3,000 trans men, 49 of whom died by suicide. 49 out of over 8,000 over a period of several years. This shows us two things: that although in the trans population, suicide rates decreased, unfortunately the suicide rate is still higher than the general population. This seems to correspond to the gender conflicts within the individual and increased rates of mental illness among such populations.

I don't think it wise to gleen too much from these results however, as someone experiencing such an extreme gender conflict as to warrant reassignment are perfectly healthy and well-adjusted individuals except for their gender. I have not seen that to be the case although my experience of transgenderism is extremely limited.

What I do know is that in order for the transgender community to be successful, it will require that they be given the kind of love and support that all human beings are entitled to without prejudice and I just don't believe people in the general population to be capable of it. Again, sad as it may be, this thread is indicative (as are so many other indicators) of the very real possibility that the successful integration of the transgender community may not now nor may ever be possible at all.

Results​

Out of 5107 trans women (median age at first visit 28 years, median follow‐up time 10 years) and 3156 trans men (median age at first visit 20 years, median follow‐up time 5 years), 41 trans women and 8 trans men died by suicide. In trans women, suicide deaths decreased over time, while it did not change in trans men. Of all suicide deaths, 14 people were no longer in treatment, 35 were in treatment in the previous two years. The mean number of suicides in the years 2013–2017 was higher in the trans population compared with the Dutch population.

Conclusions​

We observed no increase in suicide death risk over time and even a decrease in suicide death risk in trans women. However, the suicide risk in transgender people is higher than in the ge

Im not sure what prejudice the author thinks people have against transgenders or what type of support he thinks should be given? I know the law protects them against employment discrimination.

 

[Type-IIx]

Once, somehow I came upon a thread on kiwifarms about m2f transsexual reassignment surgery. Pictures, stories. Festering, rotting, smelling permanent wounds. Very depressing. I think in the future these surgeries will be thought of as lunacy. Whatever mental conflict there is I don't see how cutting off a healthy bodypart is the proper response. Type-2x said this thing is very real but to me it looks very unreal, like it's manufactured.

My personal view is that you don't get much more "broken" than feeling you're stuck in the body of the opposite gender. I don't think these gender dysphoric (a SERIOUS mental illness, that society should strive to deal with psychologically as early as possible in life) persons have anything, though, but the STRONGEST disincentives to manufacture this. Think about the disincentives Kroc, a legend, had given his status/reputation. I'm not a fan of society's moving towards normalizing gender reassignment, but was genuinely surprised to learn that the big datasets with longitudinal QoL assessments post-reassignment actually show improvement. I have NO stake/interest in either side of the politicization of this issue...

 

[TheOtherOne55]

Were these world record set as a man or woman ??

Have you never heard of Matt Kroc or the Kroc row?

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Im not sure what prejudice the author thinks people have against transgenders or what type of support he thinks should be given? I know the law protects them against employment discrimination.

I'm the author (everything above "Results") in that post. And I don't even have a response or time to create one for your ridiculously stupid comment. This is all I could muster.

 

[qbkilla]

My personal view is that you don't get much more "broken" than feeling you're stuck in the body of the opposite gender. I don't think these gender dysphoric (a SERIOUS mental illness, that society should strive to deal with psychologically as early as possible in life) persons have anything, though, but the STRONGEST disincentives to manufacture this. Think about the disincentives Kroc, a legend, had given his status/reputation. I'm not a fan of society's moving towards normalizing gender reassignment, but was genuinely surprised to learn that the big datasets with longitudinal QoL assessments post-reassignment actually show improvement. I have NO stake/interest in either side of the politicization of this issue...

I have some background in behavior and applied behavior analysis

Attention
Escape
Sensory
Tangible (want something)

These are 4 main functions of behavior. Attention is obvious. Tangible could be a function as well. If a man for whatever reason likes men, he may think he get other men by becoming a woman ( since most men seek women).

Above are 2 reasons why someone may fake it. The other options are a severe mental illlness like you said, and some people (not me) believe in this "brain and body mixup"

 

[TheOtherOne55]

Must respect to Janae and her children.

What it must be like to be the DEFINITION of masculinity....other guys would die to be you, but you are literally dying inside because you feel like you're pretending to be something you aren't. I cannot imagine what it must've been like to tell his group of HYPER masculine friends that he actually wants to be a she. Basically risking every single friendship you've ever had in your lifeee to do this....ballsy.

I watched the documentary she did a few years back. Her children honestly reacted as well as ANYONE could.
And same with her circle of close friends....the real ones stayed with her and knew he (at the time) was going through some dark shit.
And others basically turned their back on him and refused to speak to him ever again. Insane.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

I have some background in behavior and applied behavior analysis

Attention
Escape
Sensory
Tangible (want something)

These are 4 main functions of behavior. Attention is obvious. Tangible could be a function as well. If a man for whatever reason likes men, he may think he get other men by becoming a woman ( since most men seek women).

Above are 2 reasons why someone may fake it. The other options are a severe mental illlness like you said, and some people (not me) believe in this "brain and body mixup"

It's behavioral analysis. Pretty much ends there.

 

[Type-IIx]

I have some background in behavior and applied behavior analysis

Attention
Escape
Sensory
Tangible (want something)

These are 4 main functions of behavior. Attention is obvious. Tangible could be a function as well. If a man for whatever reason likes men, he may think he get other men by becoming a woman ( since most men seek women).

Above are 2 reasons why someone may fake it. The other options are a severe mental illlness like you said, and some people (not me) believe in this "brain and body mixup"

I understand human bias to understand that hate is a potent factor in how persons assess the data.

 

[Dugbet]

I have some background in behavior and applied behavior analysis

Attention
Escape
Sensory
Tangible (want something)

These are 4 main functions of behavior. Attention is obvious. Tangible could be a function as well. If a man for whatever reason likes men, he may think he get other men by becoming a woman ( since most men seek women).

Above are 2 reasons why someone may fake it. The other options are a severe mental illlness like you said, and some people (not me) believe in this "brain and body mixup"

There are some people who have characteristics of both sexes in an unconventional way. Athlete Caster Semenya comes to mind. In those cases, I don't see a mental problem or anything similar. Only a woman with androgen levels higher than normal, almost typical of a male. She took advantage of this for athletics but was cut by the top sports organizations.

What I want to say is that there are some real genetic problems where the individual is between both sexual genders, but they are in the minority with respect to the LGTB community.

 

[qbkilla]

There are some people who have characteristics of both sexes in an unconventional way. Athlete Caster Semenya comes to mind. In those cases, I don't see a mental problem or anything similar. Only a woman with androgen levels higher than normal, almost typical of a male. She took advantage of this for athletics but was cut by the top sports organizations.

What I want to say is that there are some real genetic problems where the individual is between both sexual genders, but they are in the minority with respect to the LGTB community.

Agree

 

[tr46]

I've know Janae/Matt for years and as long as what you do doesnt hurt anyone else or stomp on someones rights then I don't have a problem with whatever makes my friend happy. She just likes being strong basically is the way I understand it she has no ambition to compete in bodybuilding anymore and when she was she was only going to complete as a man. The gym is awesome by the way

 

[tr46]

I've followed Kroc's career since way back on Elite FTS with the insane weight cuts and driving 16 penny nails into his biceps with his bare hand.

What I don't understand is how he's afforded all this. Yes, he's a pharmacist and has had a few contracts but paying for 3 kids, hundreds of thousands in surgeries, hormones, doctor specialists, etc and now opening a new gym I'm just not sure where all the $$ has come from.

The only surgery she's had done is voice box scrapping to change voice and facial reconstruction. He wasn't just a pharmhe was the head pharmacist for walgreens mail fulfillment center did very well I think.

 

[maldorf]

Must respect to Janae and her children.

What it must be like to be the DEFINITION of masculinity....other guys would die to be you, but you are literally dying inside because you feel like you're pretending to be something you aren't. I cannot imagine what it must've been like to tell his group of HYPER masculine friends that he actually wants to be a she. Basically risking every single friendship you've ever had in your lifeee to do this....ballsy.

I watched the documentary she did a few years back. Her children honestly reacted as well as ANYONE could.
And same with her circle of close friends....the real ones stayed with her and knew he (at the time) was going through some dark shit.
And others basically turned their back on him and refused to speak to him ever again. Insane.

Not too dissimilar to Bruce Jenner transitioning. Wow that was a surprise to everyone. Track and field star, masculine stereotype. His family seemed to accept it well. He waited till he was quite old too to do it.