Would you rather be 260 or 210?

[AWN2004]

210 can look pretty good if you are really lean and at my height I would take 210 in the single digits anyday. I never get too heavy in the off season but at 240 I just felt sluggish. The longer you are in this, I think the more you realize your health is more important than an inch on your arms.

 

[dragonfire101]

IMO at 210 with those stats your gonna need just as much juice as the the 270stats

Not at all. Most guys that have put the time are those stats. Maybe not at less than 5% bdf. You probably be more around 8%BDF. Most guys that I know who lift have came from some athletic background or were somewhat active in something. Average 5 10' male can get 18' arms and 48' chest and below 10%bdf with a couple good years of training and nutrition.

e do have some great examples of guys in this catergory here on this board that look incredible and have never graced the stage.

I have friends like this. Were between 28-30. I myself was in the quest to matain at least a 240 physique 'at 5 10 year round at less tha 10%bdf and more like 5% in the summer. Maybe do a show here and there. It would just take a couple moderate 12-16 week cycles a year and heavey lifting with lost of food. I realized back when I was 22 I would not be a Pro or did not want to any longer and pursued my career. Most of my buddies and others I know who still use lots of gear realized this also and pusrued their careers. They still wante dto take the risk and be over 240 even with their careers and family and more to loose now. They are always taking viagra, seeking antiestrogens, dealing with injuries in the gym going past their limits as the AAS make you feel you can do more. For what though? They don't even plan to compete. This is a common I believe for alot of users.

I have no problem putting on mass. I was always able to stay around 220, bdf around 10-12%, 48' chset, arms were always a problem, but got them to 18" with no gear. All by buddies same stats. I figure why deal with all the risk if you have so much to loose just for the sake to look big. It can be viewed as maybe a psychological disorder if you taking all these risk and you not going to compete or using to increase atheltic performance.

With just a little HRT from a doc one can probably maintain a 220 physique at under 10%bdf well into their 40's with a good diet and moderate training.

 

[BigRick722]

"Lifes Too Short To Be Small"
270lbs in shape would be GREAT!!

 

[thebrick]

At this point in my life (54), I'll take the healthy 210 hands down. I have absolutely no desire to be 260 anymore. But then again, these days, I measure my lipids and liver values more than my chest and arms

 

[qazzaq9]

I would go with 210 and nattie. Those are about the same stats as I'm shooting for although 18" arm may be a bit out of reach at that bodyweight. I would think you would have to weigh 225 plus to have a true cold upper arm measurement of 18". But then again I'm sure that there are people out there who could get or already have an 18" arm at 210, but they would be the ones with elite genetics for a nattie and not like the 95% of us that are of more average genetics. And being a nattie, I would be very happy with those stats and I would think winning nattie shows would be a very real possibility.

 

[mikeheavypecs]

270! no question about it. I'm finally 256 at 7% bf and my goal for this year is 270.....

Mike

What would you rather be a 5 11’ natural recreational bodybuilder 210 pounds 48’ chest 18-19 arms, 30’ waist or 5 11’ 270 pounds 56’ chest 22’ arms, 36’ waist.


If you pick the natural recreation lifter you really wouldn’t have to worry about additional health issues, monitoring liver enzymes, blood pressure years of stress on the body of extra heavy lifting, wear and tear on the joints, body nervous system, organs etc. and high calorie consumption to maintain 260 muscle mass yo/yo affect dieting/bulking that creates additional stress and all the $$$ spent on AAS etc. use and risk of legal issues and maybe for a lot of bodybuilders trying to go Pro or be a top national competitor even risking relationships and family. When does a bodybuilder trying to obtain the above with all the risk call quits and the negatives start to out way the benefits taht haven't even maybe been obtained yet at all.


For the wise guys who are under 5 11' or over you can adjust your weight accordingly to fit the example.

 

[champ00]

i used to get to 187 natural. and still get down to 3.2%bf for natural shows, then aas took over and im 237 and the weight has been hard to get used to at times i feel winded doing shit. but for shows i still get to the lower 3 percent to to being a dietician and knowing what food groups work for me to attain that perent level

 

[Golgo13]

...5 11’ natural recreational bodybuilder 210 pounds 48’ chest 18-19 arms...

Only the genetically blessed natural lifter could have those measurements and be lean. If its possible at all.

Lean natural guys who are 5'11 usually took their arms from 14' to 16' typically and thats the limit. I know we all know an exception to this, but I am talking about the norm. Guys like the kid in this article:

**broken link removed**


To answer your question:

I would never want to build something I couldn't keep... So I would be near the natural side, but still enhanced to some degree.

 

[wrought]

Forget the weight, I'd just like to be 5'11"!

...but if I had the choice it would definitely be at 260+, heck I'm 210 now and I'm just 5'6". Call it body dysmorphia if you want but unless you're walking around in contest condition 24-7, 210 @ 5'11" would be kinda average.

 

[dragonfire101]

I'd just like to be 5'11"

you mean a full 6'

Lean natural guys who are 5'11 usually took their arms from 14' to 16' typically and thats the limit.

No way. Its more like 16-18'. From what I have read the reported way to aproxiatmate bicep size is 10' more than your wrist size. I measured my little brother arms the other day who is just a recreational lifter not even that serious into lifting heavy. He is 5 9' 190 and arms 17' cold.

I had 17' arms at 17 years old at a 5 8' at 160 my JR. in H.S. and I wouldn't consider myself a gentic elite. Chest was only about 44", but was at 5% BDF at the 160. Decent genectics, but not elite by any means. Most the kids on my H.S. Football/ Wrestling Team had 17-18' arms and we were all natural and the most of us weighed 160-200 with those measurements. During football season I was at 190 and Chest would jump up to 47" and BDF was between 8-9% MAX.

My buddy at work is a natural middle weight and he comes in at 170 sliced. Chest 46' arms 18' on stage.


Ok for all those picking the 260 plus are you taking into account the risk factors when choosing. I know a few bros on the board end up having liver issues and took a break and were on low dose HRT after that 200-weel. Don't know what they did after. What if you ended up getting hit with a risk factor.

 

[Sesshomaru]

Option 1.

Im working on it, looks like I need bigger arms by that outline

 

[Golgo13]

..

I had 17' arms at 17 years old at a 5 8' at 160 my JR. in H.S. and I wouldn't consider myself a genetic elite. ...

I would.

 

[goldlifter]

option 1...why? cuz i've already chosen that path and am happier@205 vs 240 3 years ago. to each their own, we all have our own reasons

 

[eroc613]

Man I've been killing my arms for three years "on", and they are barely 17" cold. I'm 205 at 10-12%, so I know some of that measurement is body fat. (5'9) 17 " arms at 160lbs at 5%bf? If that's NOT genticly gifted, I need to quit training. I've never seen anybody at your height/weight and that BF%, with 17" arms. Three years ago mine were 14" at 152lbs

you mean a full 6'



No way. Its more like 16-18'. From what I have read the reported way to aproxiatmate bicep size is 10' more than your wrist size. I measured my little brother arms the other day who is just a recreational lifter not even that serious into lifting heavy. He is 5 9' 190 and arms 17' cold.

I had 17' arms at 17 years old at a 5 8' at 160 my JR. in H.S. and I wouldn't consider myself a gentic elite. Chest was only about 44", but was at 5% BDF at the 160. Decent genectics, but not elite by any means. Most the kids on my H.S. Football/ Wrestling Team had 17-18' arms and we were all natural and the most of us weighed 160-200 with those measurements. During football season I was at 190 and Chest would jump up to 47" and BDF was between 8-9% MAX.

My buddy at work is a natural middle weight and he comes in at 170 sliced. Chest 46' arms 18' on stage.


Ok for all those picking the 260 plus are you taking into account the risk factors when choosing. I know a few bros on the board end up having liver issues and took a break and were on low dose HRT after that 200-weel. Don't know what they did after. What if you ended up getting hit with a risk factor.

 

[dragonfire101]

Man I've been killing my arms for three years "on", and they are barely 17" cold. I'm 205 at 10-12%, so I know some of that measurement is body fat. (5'9) 17 " arms at 160lbs at 5%bf? If that's NOT genticly gifted, I need to quit training. I've never seen anybody at your height/weight and that BF%, with 17" arms. Three years ago mine were 14" at 152lbs

I use to complain about mine only being 17 3/4 at 200. Then I finally got them to 18. They didn't grow much past H.S. I could never get them past 19 with SEO or AAS. I always thought 18' was average for a natural bodybuilder and athelete since everyone I know had arms between 17-19inchs around 200pounds that was natural.

I would.

I will try to find a pic. I had one up on the board along time ago, but I could not find it. I think it was on the old server.

 

[thestallion]

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[thestallion]

Ive been busting my ass for years and I only have a shade under 16 inch arms and I have an athletic background (football and basketball). I'm 6' 205 13-14 BF. My arms are probably a little undersized for my size but the rest of those stats for the 210 guy are pretty freakish for the most part. Maybe your your buddies with those stats are juicing behind your back. Im natural by the way.

 

[Dr.S]

stats

funny that your question pretty much describes me---high bodywgt of 260-265, currently about 205. Let me first say that most men, no matter what type of diet, gear or anything else-- can have the combo of a 48' chest, 18-19" arms, and a 30" waist. That's just awesome genetics if someone hits those stats--natural or otherwise.

In my early 20's I just wanted to be huge and reached 265 prbly around 12-14 % BF. I'm 6'0" and now I try to stay below 210----flexibility is better, cardio, I don't have to feel stuffed with food all the time---just overall healthier. And I think 190-210 looks better on most guys anyway. I enjoy watching the Olympia and seeing the freaks, but I don't think a lot of them look "good" (I know it's been beaten to death, but guys from the 1960's who were 40-60 lbs lighter than todays competitors had better physiques).......

my current stats, upon waking in the morning--- 32 1/2-33 inch waist, 16.5' arms, 46' chest, 25 1/2 ' legs. Bodyfat around 8 %. I'll probably drop to 190 lbs for summer, as even at 205-210 I still have to eat a lot...I don't enjoy sweating all summer and toting food around. I'm in my early 30's now, and being huge just isn't important anymore........that being said, some guys carry the weight easier and maybe don't have to eat as much---so this is obviously just my preference....

 

[GoneForever]

I still would find it very hard to believe for a natty guy to have the 1st stats, especially with only a few years of training. Maybe like 10years of training with good genetics they can achieve the stats you listed with about 10% b/f, but its pretty damn rare to see anyone with 18" arms, who is lean and natural. Sure their out there, but its a very very very very rare.

 

[dragonfire101]

Whats a cold arm measurement for you?

Ok this is a spin off from my other thread since alot feel its not typical for a
5 10' 200 pound ,nautural bodybuilder to achieve a 18' arm.

What is a cold measurement. A arm straight out not flexed or a bicep flexed without any pump or lifting beforehand.