would you use......?

[krnboitae]

creatine in test/eq cycle???
if no, please explain
if yes, how would you use it???

 

[Twenty of Four]

No, I wouldn't.
Save for PCT

 

[IronMike]

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No reason not to use it during and post cycle, unless you are prepping for a show. IronMike

 

[terryd5150]

No reason not to use it during and post cycle, unless you are prepping for a show. IronMike

Why not? Isn't creatine supposed to help muscle performance? Would that not be a plus at ALL times?

P.S. I don't use creatine, never really got anything out of it but I know people that do. Just wondering the thought process there.

 

[JohnnyPro]

creatine in test/eq cycle???
if no, please explain
if yes, how would you use it???

Yes I would, just use it according to instructions

 

[Big Danny]

Agree

 

[Malic777.com]

use the creatine to help post cycle...you will need it more off cycle than on...alex

 

[diesel158]

Why not? Isn't creatine supposed to help muscle performance? Would that not be a plus at ALL times?

P.S. I don't use creatine, never really got anything out of it but I know people that do. Just wondering the thought process there.

I think the thought process is that you'd retain too much water.

 

[wakejump4me]

I think the thought process is that you'd retain too much water.

water is retained within the muscles .

wake

 

[Seabiscuit Hogg]

Yes. I used it in my recovery drink and in the morning on nonworkout days.

 

[muscledoc1]

Creatine i s good to use at any time especially on a cycle where your muscles can retain more water and use that atp better,i would suggest the only form of creatine that works best is creatine ethyl ester.(there are a lot of supplement companies that make that).

 

[Seabiscuit Hogg]

There's less of the unwanted bloat with the esterfied version and you can dose it lower.

 

[terryd5150]

I think the thought process is that you'd retain too much water.

I thought it forced more water INTO muscle cells?

Bloat/retaining water usually refers to outside the muscle cell.

 

[JustLearning]

All anabolic steriods are synthetic compounds whose structure is similar to that of the natural male sex horomone
testosterone. Testosterone affects development of the male body in two important ways: it has an anabolic effect-increased growth, expecially of muscular and skeletal tissue and an androgenic effect-increased development of mail sexual characteristics. Once taken into the bloodstream, anabolic steriods bind to hormone receptonrs on skeletal muscle and other cells and stimulate synthesis of certain specific enzymes. These enzymes promote two improtant biochemical reactions: creatine phoshate systesis and protein sythesis. Creatine phospate is a molecule that can be metabolized in the absense of sufficient oxygen as a shot-term source of energy. Increased creatine phospate synthesis thus allows athletes to train harders and for longer periods of time, and therefore build more muscle. Protien synthesis is essential for long-term development of increased muscle mass or "bulk". In addtion, anabolic steriods promote nitrogen retention by the body. By allowing for better utization of the nitrogen in ingested protein, anabolic steriods help athlets to build mass. However this effect is offset by the bodys homeostatic mechanisms, which are designed to maintain a stable environment: therefore in order to increase body mas by using anabolic steriods, athletes must also adhere to a diet with suffiecent protein and calories - up to 10,000 calories daily with 300 to 400 grams of protein.



Question: Creatine synthesis, if you increase creatine intake while on AS will it help you get stronger. I had always thought it just added to the amount of water you retain ?


Although creatine does have testosterone-like effects,it doesn't act as a steroid hormone.Instead,it's a mediator of some of the
androgens' anabolic effects.In fact,steroid users get far more out
of their cycles if they take in massive amounts of creatine along
with the drugs.Androgens are among the hormones that can force the entry of creatine into muscle cells.While there's a clear
relationship between muscle strength gains and increases in muscle creatine stores,unfortunately,the relationship is not as obvious when it comes to increases in muscle mass.Animal-based studies have shown that the muscles of untrained rats take up as much creatine as the muscles of trained rats,but the ANABOLIC effects of creatine are only obvious in trained rats.Therefore,training increases the muscles sensitivity to the anabolic actions of creatine.(Although it's not related to this article,the study also demonstrated that the anabolic effects of creatine are DIRECT,and not mediated by waterretention.In fact,in the 1970s American and Russian studies pointed out a DIRECT anabolic effect of creatine on muscle cells.)Testosterone increases the muscles'sensitivity to the anabolic properties of creatine in addition to enhancing the creatine buildup in muscle fibers.It's also obvious that part of the strength gains people experience while on steroids are mediated by an increase in muscle creatine stores.An interesting discovery A/S users have made is that they should dramatically increase their creatine intake during a cycle to boost the potency of the steroids.Thanks to creatine,people can build more muscle mass with fewer drugs.Anecdotal evidence from A/S users points out that it
takes at least 10-15 grams(maintenance)of creatine a day to visibly enhance the the anabolic potency of a steroid stack.There are probably good reasons for the increased creatine requirement when androgen levels are high.As mentioned above,steroids increase the muscle uptake of creatine,and if the muscles are ready to accept more creatine,why not give it to them?I also think that even though steroids enhance creatine synthesis,they may increase creatine degradation as well-so more creatine is used up every day.That could be due to an increase in muscle creatine turnover and also the fact
that an elevated muscle protein synthesis rate will likely consume
creatine at a faster rate.Other reasons for a higher creatine
requirement may be indirect.Because the muscles of drug users are stronger and receive more training,they may waste greater amounts of creatine during training.Once inside the muscle,creatine provides not only an anabolic effect,but also a rapidly mobilized source of fuel.Muscle protein synthesis is a process that wastes great amounts of energy.Anabolism is an ATP-dependent process,which means that it's essential for protein synthesis.If the cellular level of ATP is reduced even a little,IT STOPS ANABOLISM.So even if you can increase the testosterone content of your muscles,nothing will happen if your
ATP level is low.Creatine supports anabolism by providing energy to the muscle...

 

[mojo jojo]

Great post JustLearning. I totally agree with you.

I will sum up what you said in a very simplistic way. The point of anabolics is that they allow the body to utilize more nutrients. If you do not take in enough nutrients then you are limiting the effects that the anabolics can have on the body.

 

[Dusty Hanshaw]

I thought it forced more water INTO muscle cells?

Bloat/retaining water usually refers to outside the muscle cell.

Terry the reason for subq water retention from creatine is actually due to bad absorption of lower quality creatines. What happens is that some forms of creatine are harder to absorb and digest. For example creatine mono typically only absorbes around 30%. The other 70% is converted into creatinine which the body sees the same way it sees poison. In order to try and rid itself of the creatinine the body fills up with water in an attemp to flush out the creatinine, but it can't because you keep taking in creatine mono daily. That is why a lot of people mention that they drop around 7-10lbs when they come off creatine. Once you stop taking it the body is finally able to successfully get rid of the lingering creatinine thus it no longer has the need to hold the water. Hope that helps.

 

[ALLEX]

No, I don't feel any difference...