WTF With Kratom?

[Aikman56]

I’m always curious about the dosages that people use when they talk about addiction to this.

I’ve used it for years as a pre-workout. It’s nothing I use with any real regularity, really only on days when my ass is really dragging. And even then 1.5 to 2 g is the most that I’ll use.

I always weigh it out on a digital scale so I’m not guesstimating anything and I know exactly what I’m using. I’ve gone stretches without it with no issues and I’ve had times where I’ve gone for a straight week or two and used it every day during pre-contest…

I think, as with most things, the devil is in the details, and the poison is in the dosage.

 

[buck]

I have seen many post about using 40-50 gr a day. Think there is a rep on here that was using in that range and talked of how hard it was to come off. I use about 1-1.5 gr most days. At my peak years ago i was doing 2.5 gr 2x/day. But it wasn't doing anything positive for me at that dose.

 

[Aikman56]

40g-50g DAILY????

 

[mike036]

40g-50g DAILY????

I have been using kratom for 8 years. I currently taking about 40 grams/day. Some days a little more. Been at this dose for years now

 

[Poonami]

Back in the day I was a 60g per day guy of blended strains. It made me feel fantastic and super productive for about 5 years and then turned on me. Once it turned on me any amount would cause horrific anxiety, depression and severe doom n gloom. Quitting that nasty shit was one of the hardest things I’ve ever done despite knowing that using it was causing misery too.

Yes I have an addictive personality. I don’t understand people that get an amazing feeling and DONT try and replicate it often. That’s crazy to me. But perhaps y’all just have some weird, wise insight and basically know on a fundamental level that “WHAT GOES UP, MUST EVENTUALLY COME DOWN.” I seemed to had to learn that the hard way with quite a few feel good substances.

I’m totally clean now. My biggest buzz comes from standard preworkout tubs lol. But I was a maniac years ago. Moderation wasn’t in my vocabulary. I was a certain rate/MOS in the military that was known for that exact characteristic lol. Live and learn I guess. But to end this question… hell yes kratom is addictive.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

I can’t even fathom 40 grams let alone 60

 

[jackedsanta]

Both people I know who did kratom like regularly and daily we're coming off some sort of opioid addiction the one was addicted to Xanax bars and she swapped that out for the kratom yes she stopped the Xanax but damn she had to have that kratom.
Addiction sucks no matter what it is!

 

[rotinaj]

The stuff 100% works.
The stuff also has a 100% chance of utilizing your brain’s opioid receptors.
I’ve used every color strain myself, and seen people abuse it.

Long term use, especially with higher doses, will create withdrawals.
Those are exact same withdrawals seen with people addicted to pills like Oxy’s.

Kratom is an agonist of opioid receptors.
It may be weaker to prescription pharmaceuticals comparatively, but it still uses the same receptors.
Coming off it once any form of dependency(recognized or not) has developed will turn you into a withdrawing drug addict.
That is due to the mechanism of how it works.

Ive worked with drug addicted for a living, I’ve shot narcan up peoples’ noses, I’ve done cpr on people who were in respiratory arrest from opioid overdoses.. this is not a bodybuilding drug and does not have really have a place for discussion on this forum IMO.
It’s equivocal to us asking how much methamphetamine is standard for combating lethargy in a calorie deficit.

 

[b-boy]

Never used it? Never will!
I guess I just don't get it?

I dont knock anyone that does use it, if you like it and it isn't ruining your life then ROCK ON!

 

[SouthernMuscle]

The stuff 100% works.
The stuff also has a 100% chance of utilizing your brain’s opioid receptors.
I’ve used every color strain myself, and seen people abuse it.

Long term use, especially with higher doses, will create withdrawals.
Those are exact same withdrawals seen with people addicted to pills like Oxy’s.

Kratom is an agonist of opioid receptors.
It may be weaker to prescription pharmaceuticals comparatively, but it still uses the same receptors.
Coming off it once any form of dependency(recognized or not) has developed will turn you into a withdrawing drug addict.
That is due to the mechanism of how it works.

Ive worked with drug addicted for a living, I’ve shot narcan up peoples’ noses, I’ve done cpr on people who were in respiratory arrest from opioid overdoses.. this is not a bodybuilding drug and does not have really have a place for discussion on this forum IMO.
It’s equivocal to us asking how much methamphetamine is standard for combating lethargy in a calorie deficit.

You’re not a janitor?

 

[rotinaj]

You’re not a janitor?

First person in over a decade to know the reference from my username… bravo my man

 

[SouthernMuscle]

First person in over a decade to know the reference from my username… bravo my man

I think the fear mongering could use a dial-back though

I’ve used kratom on and off for years and never felt like something was amiss or had to have it when I didn’t use it. Never got any pain relief from it either though so maybe that’s variable from person to person. Never even a buzz. Only a stimulant effect. Just has a specific feel to it. To me all the different things I use for a boost have a different feel. Caffeine, Teacrine, Dynamine, brewed coffee, cannabis, DMAA- all just means to an end. However that tub of DMAA has been sitting for a while, much more leery of that one than Kratom.

Many here have said the same thing, they just take a little preworkout and don’t even think about it otherwise.

 

[rotinaj]

I think the fear mongering could use a dial-back though

I’ve used kratom on and off for years and never felt like something was amiss or had to have it when I didn’t use it. Never got any pain relief from it either though so maybe that’s variable from person to person. Never even a buzz. Only a stimulant effect. Just has a specific feel to it. To me all the different things I use for a boost have a different feel. Caffeine, Teacrine, Dynamine, brewed coffee, cannabis, DMAA- all just means to an end. However that tub of DMAA has been sitting for a while, much more leery of that one than Kratom.

Many here have said the same thing, they just take a little preworkout and don’t even think about it otherwise.

My responses can be a bit abrasive, it’s a character defect, but all in good faith.

That’s why I mentioned I have used kratom myself.
I personally noticed the mood boosting euphoric effect from it, which led me to abstain after a week or two of using it…
I’ve learned you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Pretty hard lesson to learn when I was using GHB to induce more REM sleep for “better recovery” (way more risky)

I strongly believe anyone should be able to put absolutely whatever they want into their body, simply on the concept that it is their body.
I just also believe people should know what those things are, especially when it comes to things that can pray on those who may be susceptible to addictive tendencies, like kratom.
But we all gotta live and learn one way or another

 

[SouthernMuscle]

My responses can be a bit abrasive, it’s a character defect, but all in good faith.

That’s why I mentioned I have used kratom myself.
I personally noticed the mood boosting euphoric effect from it, which led me to abstain after a week or two of using it…
I’ve learned you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Pretty hard lesson to learn when I was using GHB to induce more REM sleep for “better recovery” (way more risky)

I strongly believe anyone should be able to put absolutely whatever they want into their body, simply on the concept that it is their body.
I just also believe people should know what those things are, especially when it comes to things that can pray on those who may be susceptible to addictive tendencies, like kratom.
But we all gotta live and learn one way or another

Never tried GHB, missed the boat on that one

it’s all good
It’s HHC tonight so I’m surprised I was able to get a few coherent sentences out

People will either figure their own shit out or they won’t

 

[Aikman56]

I have been using kratom for 8 years. I currently taking about 40 grams/day. Some days a little more. Been at this dose for years now

3g gives me so much energy…I think 40g might just blow my head clean off!!!

 

[Aikman56]

First person in over a decade to know the reference from my username… bravo my man

I’m just over here putting pennys in the door…

 

[SouthernMuscle]

3g gives me so much energy…I think 40g might just blow my head clean off!!!

Same! I tried a concentrated version one time because I’d heard about the pain relief and had never experienced it …….puked that shit up QUICK!

 

[buck]

Kratom just mellows me out a little. No stimulant or pain relief. Kind of makes me a little lethargic like all opiods do. Used to use a lot of ephedrine years ago till i figured out that i could get a consistently better work out without being jacked up. And just flipping the switch in the brain when it was time for a set.

 

[yellowbird1]

First person in over a decade to know the reference from my username… bravo my man

 

[stackdizzy]

7-oh is dangerous shit I took it and was blackout fucked up for 10 or so hours......fuck that shit that was the end of my 7-oh experience. Bain took about 4 days to feel normal And I don't get withdrawal from Kratom.