Years of non-stop GEAR... now OFF... natural test levels are Funked Up

[repper]

Was on stuff for around 15 years total. Began with cycling 2-3 items at a time... dbol, test, fina, winny, GH, slin...pretty much cycled with almost everything out there at one point or another. The last 7 years have only been on 250mg test per week.

I decided to stop altogether because of a couple of injuries that limit my weight training. I did 3 weeks HCG at 1500iu every 3 days along with 20mg Nolvadex daily. Then for 21 days I did Clomid... 300mg day one, 100mg for 10 days, 50mg for 10 days. The PCT cycle ended around 2 months ago. So, I've been off for a total of around 3 months. I've experienced no noticeable crash or other symptoms from being off of stuff except for absolutely no sex drive. My muscle mass and strength have pretty much remained, despite my injuries as well.

My doctor did blood work to check testosterone levels. My testosterone level is only at 130. Normal is about 250-1000. He said I could wait it out to see if my levels naturally rise back into normal range, or he said he could put me on testosterone replacement therapy permanently.

Should I wait it out? Do natural test levels rise back to normal in this situation, especially when they're this low? The zero sex drive is what's bothering me the most. I have none. No desire for sex at all. Even with Cialis (which used to work before while on gear) I'm barely responding because I don't really get turned on. It really sucks. I have a girlfriend, so that's causing problems too, especially because she doesn't know about the gear and all. Anyone with personal experience with this kind of situation or can provide any helpful input?

Thanks in advance...

 

[Flex2019]

After that long using AAS continuously, chances are that you aren't going to recover your natural production. HRT is most likely in your future. I have heard good things about using Triptorelin to restore natural test production, but I have no experience with it personally. Hopefully someone will knowledge in this area will chime in here.

 

[J.Blaze]

If I were you I would start the hrt immediately. The doc gave you the green light and even if you want your natty to return, the chances are it may not. That strenght and size you "still" have will start to dissappear as well as your sex drive if your test stays at 130.Its not healthy for a male to have low test.

 

[Turbomaster]

I think your quality of life is gonna be way better with HRT . You've got the doctors ok, it's a no brainer . When I came into this sport at the age of 39, I knew I'd be on at least a little test for the rest of my life. It's just something that goes with the territory . Besides , you're gonna feel better , look better and be healthier with higher test levels .

 

[MR. BMJ]

I have to assume that if you've been on for 15 years, you are somewhere at least 35 years of age? Unless you started earlier than 20 years old.

You have to expect this....not only from the long duration on, but if you are well into your 30's and possibly older, then most will not recover like they did in their 20's.

My opinion is to get back on TRT, it will be more beneficial for your health than just stopping cold turkey at an older age....low test levels is not healthy.

Take his offer for TRT, and save yourself the frustration. Let us know how things go brother.

 

[Alzadosghost]

get on gear for life bro. your not healthy at all and actually sick w a test score of 130. iv been ther and it made me want to kill myself. my b ody hurt my brain didnt function properly i went nearly a year wo even handfiring it and even longer wo sex. lost my appetite any semblance of any type of drive whatsoever. take my word for it. you stay like you are now and your goiong to have to deal with sum serious ramifications bro. getting on hrt will pull you out of the that depressing quagmire guaranteed.

 

[turbobusa]

I would try small amounts of hcg daily(500iu or less) for 2-3 weeks along with
some hmg starting the last week of hcg. I would then use clomid 100mg
2 weeks followed by 50 mgs two weeks . You have nothing to lose
other than spending some money. I used that protocal in 96 after really heavy cycling for about 15 yrs. My test 8 months later was at mid 800s.
My wife conceived about 4 months after pct.
It worked well for me. I would use caution with the triptorelin as far as dosage.One of my early mistakes was using too much hcg per poke.
I think that did a bit of damage. I think trip could do the same if
used incorrectly but I don't know for sure as I have not used trip.
I have only researched it. Do something soon though t levels at 130
will really have you feeling shitty. Good luck, T

 

[MikeS]

Youve already done PCT, yes too much iu HCG, but either way youre trying to restore levels to normal...which at age 40+...wont happen anyway. AVERAGE at age 40+ may be 200(?)...so why bother? That still sucks.

Just do the HRT, especially if you have insurance or if can afford it. OR just find a reliable source and get on test enanthate/cyp, E5-7D. Its a lifetime comittment to a good quality of life as opposed to the suffering you have been enduring.

 

[SKY_COWBOY]

Youve already done PCT, yes too much iu HCG, but either way youre trying to restore levels to normal...which at age 40+...wont happen anyway. AVERAGE at age 40+ may be 200(?)...so why bother? That still sucks.

Just do the HRT, especially if you have insurance or if can afford it. OR just find a reliable source and get on test enanthate/cyp, E5-7D. Its a lifetime comittment to a good quality of life as opposed to the suffering you have been enduring.

you sir are a very wise man!

 

[Aliendogstar]

For your sex drive you could try Sex Panther by Odeon. 60% of the time it works...every time.

 

[repper]

Thanks to everyone for all the replies. My doc has me for a followup appointment in a couple months to check my test level again. He said that if it hasn't gone up, I should consider TRT. Even though I've been injecting for 15 years, the thought of "having to" doing it forever sucks. I guess before I thought I was in control of it all...could stop whenever and PCT back to normal after a while. I guess not.

I didn't ask the doc, but I hope he doesn't want me to go in every week to get a shot. I know my good and bad spots (scar tissue, etc) AND I don't want to make a doc trip every week forever, so I'd rather do my own injections. Hopefully he just lets me pick up the stuff myself from the pharmacy and do them at home. Do they usually let you do it yourself? Or do you have to go to them every week for the shots?

 

[morepain]

While i don't post much on forums occasionally i see somehting that is very near and dear to me. I took large amounts of anabolics for many years (20 or so). Alot of that time (10 years at least) i would always take at least a gram a week. I never took breaks of any kind. Here is the reality of my situation:
1. I will always be on TRT, my levels were nearly non existant, and i am not into feeling like shit
2. I work with a functional medicine specialist and through fine tuning my blood chemistry through PROPER supplementation for my particular blood profile I feel better than i did when i was 20
3. My labs all look excellent and i have no health issues at all.
4. i still maintain 250 plus fairly solid and never take anything other than my 200mg a week of test.

I guess the non stop usage pretty much locked in my size, i can starve myself and not drop under 250. I was about 325 at my biggest and felt like death through much of my 30's. In my 40's now and look and feel better than ever.

To make a long story short...just do the TRT any reasonable doctor will let you do injects. ITs not a death sentence

 

[IPGear]

Its HRT by a doctor and then maybe in a year he will get you to a place where you can accept and be happy. But thats the price many of us pay for all the days and months of hypersexuality.

But there is help available, but it will not be found in self treating.

With the help of a good doctor you will find yourself at the upper level of normal and should be just fine.

You do point out why its always the cialis or other hardon pill that gets called out as bunk. Guys with the physiology of minny mouse think the pills going to correct that.

Morepain and Mike: hello old friends who now have to worry whether they can get it up or keep it up! Join the club. It helps alittle, if she is beautiful and young! But as we remember one of you committed to your mate along time ago. And if she still loves you, well thats worth everything.


IPG

 

[bubbafrombama]

Youve already done PCT, yes too much iu HCG...

And it's VERY possible he also destroyed his Leydid cell function with HCG. I'd suggest he reads this:

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...068-avoiding-hcg-burnout-nac.html#post1174988

 

[nickels]

the thought of "having to" doing it forever sucks.

Isn't that basically what you already have been doing?

 

[rugbythug]

I only took AAS in cycles for 3 years. I currently have test levels of 194 this is being off with nothing for 6 years. Has been basically the same for the last 6 years.

Current DR will not give me Test as I am a previous steroid User.

FYI-7 Years ago on cycle I paid for and took a blood test to check my lipid levels and test while on cycle. I did not give a dr when I did this and paid out of pocket for the blood test. Last month my Dr was asking my why my test level was 3000 7 years ago.

 

[MR. BMJ]

Thanks to everyone for all the replies. My doc has me for a followup appointment in a couple months to check my test level again. He said that if it hasn't gone up, I should consider TRT. Even though I've been injecting for 15 years, the thought of "having to" doing it forever sucks. I guess before I thought I was in control of it all...could stop whenever and PCT back to normal after a while. I guess not.

I didn't ask the doc, but I hope he doesn't want me to go in every week to get a shot. I know my good and bad spots (scar tissue, etc) AND I don't want to make a doc trip every week forever, so I'd rather do my own injections. Hopefully he just lets me pick up the stuff myself from the pharmacy and do them at home. Do they usually let you do it yourself? Or do you have to go to them every week for the shots?

One thing to keep in mind, regardless of your prior AAS use, you may or may not have been in this predicament anyway at this age. Obviously nobody will ever know the answer to that, but TRT is actually a good thing. The doc i'm sure will perform health screens to keep you healthy.

 

[nickels]

Current DR will not give me Test as I am a previous steroid User.

Time to change doctors.

 

[aussiebulldog]

I only took AAS in cycles for 3 years. I currently have test levels of 194 this is being off with nothing for 6 years. Has been basically the same for the last 6 years.

Current DR will not give me Test as I am a previous steroid User.

FYI-7 Years ago on cycle I paid for and took a blood test to check my lipid levels and test while on cycle. I did not give a dr when I did this and paid out of pocket for the blood test. Last month my Dr was asking my why my test level was 3000 7 years ago.

sounds like a very caring doctor , committed to your health. that knows he has no place making moral judgement.........
the kind that would not treat your injuries if you suffered them crashing your car while driving too fast.

 

[Dancho]

after being on so long its normal not to recover in 3 months. wait 3 more months and retest. if your results are in range, then you are imporving and everything is fine. if not you may try low dose hcg and maybe clomid non stop. this should raise your levels, and the test will be produced by yourself but you will need the hcg and clomid to trigger the process. you will also be fertile this way. if you dont want to bother with hcg and clomid then hrt. thats what i would do.