Yet another GW-501516 log

[ricix]

Got mine from purchasepeptides, superfast shipping, ordered on a Friday and arrived on a Monday.

I'm taking 10mg/d divided into 2 doses of 5mg each, first thing in the am and again at 1-2 pm. I train at 11:30 am, Monday thru Friday.

Stats: 6'1", 230 lbs, bf~9-11%, 42 years old. Been training since early 20s, using AAS for last 10 years or so. Never done any peptides or HGH. Interested in the GW mainly because I LOVE my tren, but I hate the loss of endurance that comes with it; I'm hopeful the GW will remedy this and possibly add some synergy to the cutting effects of the tren.

Current meds:
600mg cyp 2x/wk
100mg tren ace daily
50mg drol BID
20mg tamoxifen BID
Liv52 1 cap BID
1000mg Fish Oil BID
5mg Cialis daily

Started the GW on Monday, as stated, 5mg BID at 5:00 am and again at around 1-2 pm. Hadn't really noticed any change at all until today... and I'm not sure if its actually the GW that caused it... but it seemed like I could've trained back forever today. I've been on the tren for a while now, and my endurance has been in the shitter (both in the gym and the bedroom), and it's been several weeks since I had that kind of intensity when training. I wore out my training partner.. that NEVER happens anymore, as he is not on tren, and has become accustomed to making fun of me panting like a sled dog after sets... So it was sweet to give some back today.

The wife wants to be serviced this evening, so I'll report tomorrow on whether there was any endurance increase in that arena.

Haven't really seen much in the way of fat loss yet (of course this is only day 4), but I'm eating pretty clean, so we'll see how it goes.

Comments/criticisms/questions welcomed, I'll try to post daily if possible, unless I have nothing new to report, in which case I won't waste your time or bandwidth.

Thanks to all the other guys logging their research with this stuff.

 

[ricix]

Okay, so went to bed with the wife at about 10:30 pm last night (walked into the bedroom and she had this pink fishnet thing on with crotchless panties... YESSSSSSS). The sex was awesome, as usual. I didn't notice anything different as far as performance or anything like that, but I DID find that I wasn't as winded and spent as I have been of late due to the tren. Not to say that I wasn't breathing hard.. I was... but I think this was due more to the excitement really than to being exhausted. My heart rate went up appropriately during my climax, but it seemed to come back down to normal much more quickly.

Again y'all... this is only after 4 days of GW. My rational trained mind (I am a doctorate-level medical scientist) tells me that it is WAY to early to attribute this to the drug (given its supposed mechanisms of action), but it's hard for me to argue with the real-life results I'm experiencing. Of course, it's ME I'm talking about, not YOU, so to YOU, this is just more anecdotal evidence to add to the growing body of anecdotal evidence already out there.

I went to sleep, freshly and properly f*cked , and slept soundly until about 2 am, when I awoke hungry. This is unusual... usually on the tren I wake at about 4:30 am and feel pretty refreshed. I had a protein shake and was able to go right back to sleep.

I have also noticed for the past few days that it is a bit harder to shake myself awake in the mornings... usually I roll out of the sack, take a piss, and I'm alert and gtg. Not so the past couple of mornings. We'll see as time goes on if this is a pattern...

I'm not sore from my back workout yesterday. 30 fkn sets of back movements yesterday and not a bit of stiffness. I can't wait to train shoulders later today. I'll let y'all know how it goes.

 

[crackrbaby]

Hella yeah! :headbang:
Crotchless panties.. Mmmmmmmm

 

[ricix]

Hella yeah! :headbang:
Crotchless panties.. Mmmmmmmm

I know, right?!? I'm a lucky guy, fo sho.

 

[Goalieguru]

great stuff! Keep us posted, considering GW, love the real life feedback you are giving.

 

[thehazzle]

Haha dude most descriptive log iv read I love it lol. I got some gw laying around waiting to jump back on cycle with tren and test to combat the tren sides as I also hate feeling like death while on tren. Also the funny looks you get from other dudes in the gym when you look in amazing shape from the tren yet can barely catch your breath after a set of squats lol

 

[ricix]

Also the funny looks you get from other dudes in the gym when you look in amazing shape from the tren yet can barely catch your breath after a set of squats lol

Yeah it kinda suck when Jabba the Hutt gets off the treadmill whistling a tune while you're lying in the middle of the floor panting like a sick dog with 5x his muscle mass.

I just finished my shoulder training and again, I did more today than I've been doing for weeks, didn't get winded, finished even my heavy press work sets breathing thru my nose instead of wagging my tongue. Still not even a hint of soreness to remind me of the killer back day I put in yesterday.

 

[bodybuilder8806]

Looking forward to seeing your results. Mine should be here tomorrow and I'll be doing something similar.

 

[johnjuanb1]

GW is the coolest supplement ever. Everything you are experiencing is real. The results come faster than one could ever imagine. Nice log! Keep it up.

 

[ricix]

Day 6, rest day from the gym. I had a deep tissue massage last night, which was awesome, but awoke today with a bit of soreness in the areas that she was working on... funny how I didn't have a single bit of stiffness or soreness after this week's super intense back day, but I do after a deep tissue massage. I don't know if that's relevant or not...

I was stuck in a conference all day today, so I didn't have much at all in the way of physical activity. Because of the conference, I took all 10mg of GW in one morning dose (I have been taking 5mg twice per day).

After a shower this evening, I do seem to notice possibly a hint of more vascular definition. I know this is purely subjective, but it is noticeable.

I'll continue to report new findings as they arise. Thanks to all who are participating in the research on this stuff.

 

[bodybuilder8806]

I read that the half life was ~24 hours, so I was going to take all 10mg at once anyways. Not sure if there are any downsides to this other than convenience.

 

[johnjuanb1]

I read that the half life was ~24 hours, so I was going to take all 10mg at once anyways. Not sure if there are any downsides to this other than convenience.

I do 10mg once a day with breakfast...works perfectly.

 

[milkhouse]

I assume from your avi you're pretty lean but have you noticed anything that would suggest youre getting any extra fat loss?

 

[ricix]

Yeah, I also read that the half-life was 24 hrs, but idk what the source of that info is... unless it was the Salk team who determined this by killing and running tox on their rats, I don't believe it wholeheartedly; it seems awfully convenient that this new miracle molecule has a half-life that is exactly the same as a human sleep/wake cycle. My guess is that one of the peptide peddlers probably put this forth (easier dosing, greater convenience, more sales).

At any rate, even if it IS true, if I take it once in a 24 hour period, I will have a high peak and a low trough every 24 hrs. If I double my dosing frequency and halve the dose, I will have twice as many peaks and troughs, but the difference between the peak and the trough will be only half that of once-daily dosing.

This puts me that much closer to a constant concentration of the drug in my (er.. my rat's) system. The half-life of test cyp is 8 days, but I pin cyp twice per week for exactly the same reason: less of a difference between peak and trough, more of a constant concentration.

As to the evidence of fat loss, like I said yesterday, I am seeing a bit more vascular definition, and today I think maybe I do appear a little bit leaner, but this is purely subjective. I don't really expect to see much in the way of measurable fat loss for about another week or so. This isn't based on anything empirical with regards to the GW, just my personal experience with my system and fat loss.

Today is supposed to be a day off from the gym, but I'm finna go up there and play around a bit, hit some priority areas and get a little pump, I'll def be scrutinizing my reflection in the mirror for any new signs of fat loss. I'll post my observations.

 

[Google&Pubmed]

Very in detailed log man. Thank you for doing this ricix.

So your doing 10mg/day?

Oh BTW GW helps on lowering you BP so if cycling raises your BP it should take care of that.

 

[ricix]

DAY 8

Day 8 today, again, had a hard time getting fully awake this morning. Since I started the tren a while back, I awaken at sometime between 2-4 am starving, and I'll usually gulp down an RTD and go back to sleep. Since starting the GW, this seems to have worsened, and I find myself waking up 2 and sometimes 3 times per night. Not always starving, and I don't usually have any trouble going back to sleep, but annoying nonetheless. The GW is just one of many different possible reasons for this, of course.

Today was chest day and I was able to train hard without the huffing/puffing/heart racing that I was experiencing before the GW (due to the tren). Funny thing is, tho.. I seem to be getting accustomed to this pretty quickly and it doesn't seem so miraculous anymore. I don't know if the effect is beginning to plateau, or if I'm just quick to forget. I'll probably have a better idea tomorrow; it's leg day. Before the GW, my heavy squat sets would leave me literally gasping for air, heart sounding like a pro boxer on a speedbag. We'll see how it goes tomorrow.

I think I MAY be leaning down... subjectively. The scale is not really a good guide with all the other goodies in the stack that I'm running, so it's hard to gauge. I'm seeing an increase in my vascular definition (not an increase in vascularity, but in the DEFINITION of the vascularity I already have, thanks in part to the tren ace). Time will tell though, I'm sure of that.

I've seen other guys logging GW research complaining of mild headaches; I've yet to experience this, and I hope it stays that way. Someone also posted something about some possible appetite suppression; me- not so much. Honestly, I've not experienced any sides that I can directly attribute with certainty to the GW.

I really think that the solvent in what I bought (from purchasepeptides) is simply Everclear. Everclear is pretty close to pure ethanol; it's very cheap, you don't need any type of credentials to obtain it (other than a drivers license lol), it's sterile, biocompatible and relatively nontoxic at the tiny dosages we're using here, and it's a great organic solvent. Plus, as another user has observed, it tastes like "rocket fuel," which is great for marketing. I mean if it tastes that potent, it's gotta be gtg, right? :lightbulb: If I was putting this stuff together in my kitchen to resell, that's what I would probably use for a solvent. Any reps from purchasepeptides following these logs care to comment on this?

I would really be interested in learning more about the manufacturing process. I'm guessing that it's pretty simple: raw powder + Everclear + pretty blue bottle + ominous warning labels from inkjet printer = major profits at a Benjamin per bottle price point. Don't get me wrong; I'm not knockin' it... yet. If it ends up delivering as promised, I could give fuck-all how they're putting it together or what it's costing them to do it. If it delivers, it's a bargain at current market price. If its bullshit, I'll trumpet that fact through bodybuilding forums all over the inter webs.

That's all for today, I'll post again sometime tomorrow after leg training.

 

[ricix]

GW from purchasepeptides PIC

Here's a pic of what I bought. It was well-packed with bubble wrap in a USPS priority box with receipt.


**broken link removed**

 

[lordsks]

Running the same stuff and doing a log on another board, it's good whatever is in that blue bottle is more than just everclear. Mostly for me I see is just increase endurance. Also my anxiety has come down alot! That reason alone I would run it. It started kicking in around 10days. @10mg day.

 

[ricix]

I do believe there is more in the bottle than just Everclear... I think that the solvent they used is probably Everclear, or a similar ethanol produced for human consumption. I didn't mean to give the impression that I feel I've been ripped off.

Perhaps my post sounded a bit too cynical late last night and if so I apologize.

 

[discohornet]

At any rate, even if it IS true, if I take it once in a 24 hour period, I will have a high peak and a low trough every 24 hrs.

Please try and let go of this dogma. GW, and all other PPAR-agonists, work as messengers, setting off a cascade of genetic events within the mitochondria of cells - it's these genetic switches that are creating the results, not the drug itself. It takes a couple of weeks for the manifestation of those genetic switches to accumulate to an incredibly evident degree. But even when the results aren't yet evident, we are setting in motion a chain of events. It's like a fuse that has been lit that will detonate the explosion. Relighting that fuse twice a day will not make a difference. Now, the amount we take does have an impact, and the kind of PPAR-agonist makes a huge difference, as do all the side effects that each type of PPAR-agonist is prone to causing. So taking too much of a fibrate will increase the PPAR activity, but it will also increase the side effects, some of which are unrelated to its ppar agonism.

Even if we examined the idea of peaks and troughs, a 24 hour half-life is perfect. That means if you dose a drug at 8am in the morning, 8am the next morning when you go to take your next dose, you still have half the other dose floating in your bloodstream. So after you have taken your second dose, you are starting to compound each dose. After a week, you have blood levels that exceed even your dosage. I have gotten into trouble taking drugs that have 24 hour half lifes by increasing the dosage too early thinking it wasn't working. Then 24 hours later I hated life, and then it took another 24 hours to subside.

I've done some poking around and haven't found any reputable source of information on half-life, I think mostly because this stuff is just now getting tested on humans, so we don't have a lot of data to confirm it. Rat's metabolisms are just so different than ours, so it wouldn't help to use that.

In any event, you certainly aren't hurting anything by taking it twice a day, that's for sure. I just wanted to try and help some people understand that this isn't a 'push the button and it turns on, and then it turns off quick and results are gone'. The reason why users experience benefits for even a few weeks after the testing, is that those genetic switches have been activated and it takes time to undo it.

GW-501516, being a PPAR-delta agonist, is going to be best suited for long term slow transformation for skinny-fat phenotypes. I have experimented with quite a few other PPAR agonists and in some instances really ended up feeling crappy because of the effects it has on the body. High doses of Fish Oil have some pretty pronounced PPAR activity, as does Sesamin, the supplement that was raved about a while back. It works through PPAR alpha primarily, but it would be a nice adjunct to the delta.

I started my GW yesterday and I can already begin feeling the insulin sensitizing, glucose lowering effects. I am much like JohnJuan, these type of drugs really lower my glucose and that alone can hinder a good workout.

Ok now I'm just rambling.