Your thoughts on this..

[phatkid77]

At gym last nite for a quicky chest.. And got kind of a compliment
Over heard a couple guys I know talking about being natty and how much te body changes and no veins Ect.i interjected saying it's over rated. Lol
He asked what. I said cycling... Said I've been off for 6 months too.. My friend snaps "I in no way 100% believe U r in anyway off anything. I call bullshit" (I mean I still have veins and all. Lol)
He's like I mean off off. Not off everything but still on 250 test or whatever. So I said well still on my script of 150. "See. Right there! Your still on something. A lot different then coming off completely!"
So I tried to explain what's the diff.... 150 just puts me in normal range. Not suphralogical levels. He couldn't grasp it
He said he just got tested and was 14. Not ideal (don't think he knew im educated).
So I said see ... I'm on 150 a week. Just got tested. And I was 14.6. So how am I at an advantage??? He thinks i am because I'm still on "something"

So, thoughts on this topic/debate. ?
Am I retarded or him. Lol

Coles notes... I guess, on ACTUAL HRT doses, is that an advantage over a "natural". After all. Within normal values

Phats


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[ALLEX]

Think about his perspective.

You're injecting, he's not. You've got outside help, he doesn't.

I've had similar discussions with friends about TRT on MMA, most of them think it's not fair. I try to explain that TRT only puts you on physiological levels. They will reply: "if your body can't produce it anymore, you need to retire"

 

[phatkid77]

Thing is. He's coming off like 3gms of gear probably. Clean for 7 months
An I see perspective... One is injecting. One isn. But the fact is.... If both people are testing exact same levels. How is that "help"?


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[nothuman]

Thing is. He's coming off like 3gms of gear probably. Clean for 7 months
An I see perspective... One is injecting. One isn. But the fact is.... If both people are testing exact same levels. How is that "help"?


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It's not. You're absolutely correct in this argument. Bloodwork doesn't lie.

 

[ajdos]

Talk about nickel and diming- TRT isnt exactly some big deal when it comes to being loaded.
I dunno, I tend to see it your way but I can see why hes hung up on a technicality.
Still are you older than him? If you are- he needs to stfu.
Besides- being on something is NOT the end all be all for muscle growth.

Thats like my roomates buddy who has been crying he cant get Test so his body looks like shit- and I said NO- you look like shit because you eat like shit and train about as hard as a wet roll of toilet paper.

 

[nsharp]

Just let ignorant people be ignorant and go about your life.

 

[phatkid77]

Talk about nickel and diming- TRT isnt exactly some big deal when it comes to being loaded.

I dunno, I tend to see it your way but I can see why hes hung up on a technicality.

Still are you older than him? If you are- he needs to stfu.

Besides- being on something is NOT the end all be all for muscle growth.



Thats like my roomates buddy who has been crying he cant get Test so his body looks like shit- and I said NO- you look like shit because you eat like shit and train about as hard as a wet roll of toilet paper.

Lol. Yep
I have atleast 10yrs on him with an actual life. Job and kids. Not living at home.
Apparently I just "grind" harder than him.llol

Veins and all


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[ALLEX]

Well, I think you have an edge on the guy.

Exogenous testosterone peaks a little while after injecting, that brings extra anabolism and estrogen conversion.

Your argument would be more valid if you both tested daily for a month, but that number doesn't really mean anything.

How's your TRT protocol? Once a week, twice a week, every day? When was blood withdrawn?

 

[brutus69]

if you're 10 years older than him and u have a higher test level than him, then yeah, u have an advantage.
your level is inflated for your age.
or, maybe not, depends on what an average level is for however old u are.

 

[phatkid77]

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[phatkid77]

And bottom line. Not over the 28


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[Jizzmo]

you avoid PCT and hormone crashes. of course you have an advantage over him. your approach is also much superior and probably healthier, so who gives

 

[thumper08]

Some people get stuck in the mindset that you can't look full and vascular without gear. I used to be accused of taking things long before I ever tried anything. It is kind of concerning that a guy taking gear is unaware that you can look like you do when you're clean...