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Old 02-09-2013, 01:28 PM
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Opinions on my current cutting cycle? (Tren-ace/Mast/prop)

Hi all,

Looking to get a little feedback on my current cycle, I've obviously done a lot of research before but another opinion never hurts..

This is my 4th cycle, 1st with tren. This is my First cycle where my primary goal has been to lose bodyfat.

Stats:
age: 25
Height: 5'10
Weight: 210lbs
BF: ~13-14%

Gear:
40mg ED Tren-ace (280mg/week)
30mg ED Mast-prop (210mg/week)
25mg ED Test-prop (175mg/week)
50mcg ED T3
(Considering adding in Clen, have some on hand)

Goals:
fat loss
Lean Body Mass Increase
Strength Increase

I'm currently on day 10 of my 8 week cycle.
So far I have noticed:
Occasional night sweats (not too bad)
Minor Insomnia
Higher than normal blood pressure (had a nose bleed while doing cardio at the gym today for the first time)
Aggression in the gym
Irritability

So far haven't really noticed any body re composition effects or any real strength gains. All my lifts are pretty much the same as they were 2 weeks ago.

Diet is clean, high protein, med card, low fat. ~3000-3500cal and 300g of protein per day. train 5x/week.


Looking for any kind of criticism/recommendations that could help improve my cycle. I have enough tren to increase the dose but don't want to increase the sides and my blood pressure.

Thanks.

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Old 02-09-2013, 01:46 PM
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I don't think at your weight, unless you have a very fast metabolism, you need that many calories to hold your muscle - especially on Test/Tren/Mast. Don't be afraid to throw a little fasting in during the first half of the day with cardio and you can cut your carbs/fat back pretty hard a few days per week on Tren and still hold muscle.

These little things can help speed up the recomp effects for you.
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Old 02-09-2013, 01:56 PM
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I don't think at your weight, unless you have a very fast metabolism, you need that many calories to hold your muscle - especially on Test/Tren/Mast. Don't be afraid to throw a little fasting in during the first half of the day with cardio and you can cut your carbs/fat back pretty hard a few days per week on Tren and still hold muscle.

These little things can help speed up the recomp effects for you.

Awesome. Cutting the calories back a bit is no problem really. I've been told by a few people that I should try to keep the cals above 3000 since I'm running t3 if I want to get noticeable strength gains from the tren, would this be an issue if I was getting something like 2250cal on rest days and 2500cal on training days?

Forgot to mention, I do 15 min cardio pre-workout and 30 mins on rest days.
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:00 PM
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I don't think at your weight, unless you have a very fast metabolism, you need that many calories to hold your muscle - especially on Test/Tren/Mast. Don't be afraid to throw a little fasting in during the first half of the day with cardio and you can cut your carbs/fat back pretty hard a few days per week on Tren and still hold muscle.

These little things can help speed up the recomp effects for you.
Absolutely! I am doing 3 days per week at under 30 carbs and holding muscle with ease and not even training hard because of back issues
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:31 PM
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Absolutely! I am doing 3 days per week at under 30 carbs and holding muscle with ease and not even training hard because of back issues
Alright, going to lower the cals and carbs a bit and see how I feel.

How do the AAS and t3 doses look?
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:36 PM
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Looks good to me. You don't need a whole bunch of gear when you're cutting. I try to do my cardio fasted am (45min 2-3 times a week) and then throw in some cardio 20 min pwo. And i keep all my carbs pre-workout so that I don't lose/strength intensity in the gym. Im largely carb free post workout, fasted 14-16 hours by the next meal.
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Old 02-09-2013, 09:42 PM
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Alright, going to lower the cals and carbs a bit and see how I feel.

How do the AAS and t3 doses look?
Definitely a good starting point. You may find yourself losing to fast with the t3 as I'm not currently even using t3 and still losing
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Tren and T3 is hard to beat for recomp/cutting IMO.

Add in good cardio and diet, and look TF out!!

Also, it can be done, of course, but gaining strength is much easier on a weight gaining bulking cycle and diet.

But that tren will help
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Old 02-10-2013, 04:17 AM
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Awesome. Cutting the calories back a bit is no problem really. I've been told by a few people that I should try to keep the cals above 3000 since I'm running t3 if I want to get noticeable strength gains from the tren, would this be an issue if I was getting something like 2250cal on rest days and 2500cal on training days?

Forgot to mention, I do 15 min cardio pre-workout and 30 mins on rest days.
I don't see the point in eating more food and then relying on T3 to increase metabolism enough to lose fat. Drop the T3, and cut calories. tren is very anticatabolic. Only add some T3 when you stall if you can't restart fat loss with carb cycling, some morning fasting, cardio, etc.

I take the less is more approach with drugs, since they're the 3rd most effective thing in physique enhancement, not the first or second (training, diet).
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Old 02-10-2013, 05:01 AM
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I did simular cycle last cut,100 prop,100 tren a,100 mast eod,Worked out at 6.A.M. and did 30 minutes cardio at the end of workout,Ate 300 grams protein,100 carbs,80 grams fat daily.Gained muscle and lost fat,a lot of fat.Took 50 t3 daily,and rotated 100 clen 14 days on 14 off the last 6 weeks.
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I did simular cycle last cut,100 prop,100 tren a,100 mast eod,Worked out at 6.A.M. and did 30 minutes cardio at the end of workout,Ate 300 grams protein,100 carbs,80 grams fat daily.Gained muscle and lost fat,a lot of fat.Took 50 t3 daily,and rotated 100 clen 14 days on 14 off the last 6 weeks.
How long into your cycle did you start to really notice the fat loss an recomp effects?
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How long into your cycle did you start to really notice the fat loss an recomp effects?
At your body fat and assuming you will be keeping the t3 in there and obviously your current diet would have a lot to do with it but if that's a good reduction in carbs plus the drugs = days bro. By day 3 or 4 water weight will drop and the tren will do its thing. I've become a huge fan of tren in the last few months
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Day 12 update:

Have had night sweats the last 2 nights but pretty minor.

Today was the first day where I really noticed looking quite a bit leaner when I woke up, abs looking more defined. veins where I've never seen them before (chest and around adonis belt), bicep and forearms veins sticking out more than ever before during workouts, pretty good pumps.

I felt stronger on my squats today, did 2 more reps than usual on my working set (395lbs for 8 reps 5 sets). My seated shoulder press actually seemed a bit weaker than last week, I only did 3 sets x 8 reps 80lbs in each hand and struggled hard on my last set when normally I can do 3x10...

Feeling pretty good, noticing a bit of lack of endurance (feeling out of breath after heavy sets and after cardio).
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