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ECG results came back massed up two or three times in a row?

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However about a year ago they were coming back normal and never had a problem. I'm wondering if it could be Advil PM as it has an anti Histmain in it? I have taken it less than twelve hours on the times it came back with non ideal rythem.
I'm going to specialist because he has to sign off that I am fit for a job I am applying for. I hope he doesn't run bloods because my blood count might be high. Going to try to give blood first. Plus I was taking some orals for a month.

Anyway it could be the antihistnaine but the the test results on my chart were listed as, Right bundle branch block, -anto lateral st elevation. Possible early repolerezation. Now I could be misreading that because I was writing it fast and standing so it's messy hand writing.

Anyone have any ideas? I'm going to see a cardiologist and would imagine he's just gonna to sign off that I'm fit for duty and not going to drop dead.

I've passed the same tests for other agency's so I couldn't have had a life long problem. I've had it a few times in the past 8 years and am only failing recently and I think it really might be the antihistamine. Any thoughts? Sorry if I'm rambling.
 
However about a year ago they were coming back normal and never had a problem. I'm wondering if it could be Advil PM as it has an anti Histmain in it? I have taken it less than twelve hours on the times it came back with non ideal rythem.
I'm going to specialist because he has to sign off that I am fit for a job I am applying for. I hope he doesn't run bloods because my blood count might be high. Going to try to give blood first. Plus I was taking some orals for a month.

Anyway it could be the antihistnaine but the the test results on my chart were listed as, Right bundle branch block, -anto lateral st elevation. Possible early repolerezation. Now I could be misreading that because I was writing it fast and standing so it's messy hand writing.

Anyone have any ideas? I'm going to see a cardiologist and would imagine he's just gonna to sign off that I'm fit for duty and not going to drop dead.

I've passed the same tests for other agency's so I couldn't have had a life long problem. I've had it a few times in the past 8 years and am only failing recently and I think it really might be the antihistamine. Any thoughts? Sorry if I'm rambling.

The cardiologist said you have RBBB and ST elevation? Or are you just talking about what some dumb machine writes on the top... if its the latter it takes years of training to read an EKG and those machines cant...yet for some reason nurses think they can....

If its just the machine let me tell you that all they are good for us for the HR. It needs to be intepreted by someone can actually can.
 
The cardiologist said you have RBBB and ST elevation? Or are you just talking about what some dumb machine writes on the top... if its the latter it takes years of training to read an EKG and those machines cant...yet for some reason nurses think they can....

If its just the machine let me tell you that all they are good for us for the HR. It needs to be intepreted by someone can actually can.

I agree. Back in 1994 I took a graduate class when I was getting a masters, the class was all on reading EKGs. It is hard to do, at least for me it was. I have forgotten most of what I learned because I never used it, but I seem to remember ST segment elevation being sign of a recent heart attack. I would only rely on a cardiologist reading your EKG. Bundle branch block is trouble with the electrical impulse traveling down from the atria to the ventricles and cause arrhythmia .
 
Years of training? Reading or interpreting an EKG is a semester class and is not rocket science. What you find based on analyzing the rhythm and then treating it is another matter which then leads to the big brains.
 
No the doctor at the hurling medical didn't tell me anything. I just wrote down what was printed on my chart, so I assume it's what the machine printed out.

The weird thing is this is a new issue. I passed them not too long ago for another stricter agency. Is it possible antihistamines the night before (Advil pm) could do this? I have taken them anytime I failed an ekg.

I am only 33 and don't remember feeling anything heart attack like lol, unless it's possible to have a heart attack with out knowing. I hope this cardiologist doesn't run bloods because my RBCs might be high and I'm not admitting AS use to him because I'm trying out for two city jobs and don't want them to know. However the paper hey gave me does say complete blood count.

Going to try and get a phlebotomy in the next few days to avoid him seeing elevated RBC or whatever else could be elevated on complete blood count.

Thanks for the help.
 
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So I men's hiring* not hurling but it wouldn't let me edit . Also a doctor could have reviews my results when I wasn't there and wrote that on the chart but in guessing it's just what the machine said.

I'm getting kind of nervous. I really hope this is tenporarsry and caused by either antihistamines or AS.

I'm trying to get on the fire dept also in addition to this job and it would really kill me if I suddenly have a new heart problem that would prevent me.
 
If you have a heart problem, not getting on the FD is not what will kill you. Hopefully it's nothing, but if it is then great that you found it.
 
I don't see how I developed a heart problem in the past year or two. I literally passed an ekg right before that. Is that possible? do people just develop this type of issue out of nowhere or is it usually a life long thing?


Do you guys think that antihistamines can give a false reading? and that might be my problem? sorry but this is making me very nervous.
 
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just found this, can one of you smarter people look at it for me? the link is below.


http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs-wm/26834.pdf


it says in "overdose" but still would like some ones opinion.


2. Membrane – depressant drugs and toxins
Cardiotoxins are responsible of ECG changes through a combination of membrane depressant effects, autonomic disturbances and metabolic changes. The severity of a toxic- induced conduction block varies depending on the toxin involved and its site of action.
2.1 Sodium channel blockers
Inhibition of the fast Na+ channels, in the phase 0 of the action potential (AP), decreases the rate of rise and amplitude of the AP in Purkinje fibers, and in atrial and ventricular myocardial cells. As a result, the upslope of depolarization is slowed and the QRS complex becomes wide. In a toxicological situation, QRS complex widening likely results directly from Na+ channel blockage or indirectly from toxin-induced hyperkalemia (Holstege et al.,
*mechanism not involving the beta-receptor.
Table 1. Na+ channel blockers and the resulting ECG changes.

Inhibitors of fast Na+ channels

1. Cardiovascular drugs:
- Type Ia antiarrhythmics (Quinidine, Disopyramide,
Procainamide)
- Type Ic antiarrhythmics (Flecainide, Encainide, Propafenone,
Moricizine)
- Propranolol and other membrane depressant beta-blockers*
- V erapamil, Diltiazem
2. Psychiatric drugs:
- Carbamazepine
- Cyclic antidepressants (Amitriptyline, Amoxapine,
Desipramine, Doxepin, Imipramine, Nortriptyline,
Maprotiline)
- Neuroleptics (Thioridazine, Mesoridazine)
- Other antidepressants (Citalopram)
- Antipsychotics (Loxapine)
3. Other drugs:
- Amantadine
- Antihistamines (Diphenhydramine)
- Chloroquine, Hydroxychloroquine
- Orphenadrine
- Narcotic pain relievers (Propoxyphene)
4. Illicit drugs: Cocaine
5. Toxins: Quinine, Saxitoxin, Tetrodotoxin
ECG changes
QRS widening
Right bundle branch pattern
R wave elevation in aVR lead
Rightward deviation of QRS axis
Ventricular tachycardia (VT) and ventricular fibrillation (VF) Bradycardia with wide QRS complex
Asystole
ST/T changes consistent with ischemia (cocaine toxicity)
 
If I was you I would be worried about my health and not about passing a test man. How old are you? How is your selenium consumption throughout your life?
 
This job is so important to me lol. It's like my dream, waited like 5years. I doubt if I do have a heart issue it would be that bad of one or it would have been picked up in the past.

I took some selenium in my Now NAC supplement that I took twice a day on and and off for the past 5years ? Maybe selenium by itself for a while. Nothing crazy thou, why do you ask? I never supplemented with selenium till I was 25 ish, I'm 33 now.


Was reading that endurance athletes or heavy weight lifted can sometimes have screwed up reasons, so I'm hoping that's the case and I have an athletes heart from the power lifts.

Why the selenium?
 
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How much stuff are you on - like everything including supplements AAS GH slin peps sarms stims etc.

Whenever I had any tests I always went in downloaded, off the stuff for a bit.
I had friends that would go in fully loaded on everything not take time off from training and wonder why all the test results were abnormal.

Not saying you are doing that - but just look at the overall picture of what you are taking.
 
This job is so important to me lol. It's like my dream, waited like 5years. I doubt if I do have a heart issue it would be that bad of one or it would have been picked up in the past.

I took some selenium in my Now NAC supplement that I took twice a day on and and off for the past 5years ? Maybe selenium by itself for a while. Nothing crazy thou, why do you ask? I never supplemented with selenium till I was 25 ish, I'm 33 now.


Was reading that endurance athletes or heavy weight lifted can sometimes have screwed up reasons, so I'm hoping that's the case and I have an athletes heart from the power lifts.

Why the selenium?

Can't you request an echo cardiogram since your EKG came back with abnormal rhythms on two occasions? I'm surprised the doctor didn't just schedule one. That's really what you need if you want peace of mind.
 
How much stuff are you on - like everything including supplements AAS GH slin peps sarms stims etc.

Whenever I had any tests I always went in downloaded, off the stuff for a bit.
I had friends that would go in fully loaded on everything not take time off from training and wonder why all the test results were abnormal.

Not saying you are doing that - but just look at the overall picture of what you are taking.

Yep nandrolone and tren will most likely cause faulty EKGs
 
This job is so important to me lol. It's like my dream, waited like 5years. I doubt if I do have a heart issue it would be that bad of one or it would have been picked up in the past.

I took some selenium in my Now NAC supplement that I took twice a day on and and off for the past 5years ? Maybe selenium by itself for a while. Nothing crazy thou, why do you ask? I never supplemented with selenium till I was 25 ish, I'm 33 now.


Was reading that endurance athletes or heavy weight lifted can sometimes have screwed up reasons, so I'm hoping that's the case and I have an athletes heart from the power lifts.

Why the selenium?

How long have you known about this test?
 
This job is so important to me lol. It's like my dream, waited like 5years. I doubt if I do have a heart issue it would be that bad of one or it would have been picked up in the past.

I took some selenium in my Now NAC supplement that I took twice a day on and and off for the past 5years ? Maybe selenium by itself for a while. Nothing crazy thou, why do you ask? I never supplemented with selenium till I was 25 ish, I'm 33 now.


Was reading that endurance athletes or heavy weight lifted can sometimes have screwed up reasons, so I'm hoping that's the case and I have an athletes heart from the power lifts.

Why the selenium?

Just curious. Because chronic Selenium deficiency has been linked to several heart diseases but Im not a doctor so I couldnt properly analyze your situation. As others have pointed out, get further tests done like an echo cardiogram. Without a good heart you will never be able to do that job properly. Thats why health is first. At the same time, it might be nothing. I could be a couple of abnormal readings caused by something else, but that why you need to know that with proper exams. If you're on any kind of juice, drugs, stimulants, anything, I would stop everything, wait a couple of months at least, on strictly healthy diet and get tests again. I know you might not have that time because of this specific job, but thats the way I would do it.
 
Just curious. Because chronic Selenium deficiency has been linked to several heart diseases but Im not a doctor so I couldnt properly analyze your situation. As others have pointed out, get further tests done like an echo cardiogram. Without a good heart you will never be able to do that job properly. Thats why health is first. At the same time, it might be nothing. I could be a couple of abnormal readings caused by something else, but that why you need to know that with proper exams. If you're on any kind of juice, drugs, stimulants, anything, I would stop everything, wait a couple of months at least, on strictly healthy diet and get tests again. I know you might not have that time because of this specific job, but thats the way I would do it.

Selenium makes Ubiquinol more effective too. Read that on Life Extension.

MouthBreather, I hope you're taking Ubiquinol!
 
How much stuff are you on - like everything including supplements AAS GH slin peps sarms stims etc.

Whenever I had any tests I always went in downloaded, off the stuff for a bit.
I had friends that would go in fully loaded on everything not take time off from training and wonder why all the test results were abnormal.

Not saying you are doing that - but just look at the overall picture of what you are taking.

I take Adderal but stopped taking it several days before. I take test but lower dose like around 300 but was higher a few months before. Thats pretty much it all year long, but I did use some dbols on and off recently but thats very rare. but none that day or the few days before. also Im 33.

Sorry if I seem ESL in some of my posts. I have been typing on my phone while I'm on the train etc and am sleep deprived because of work.

any way its weird that my heart would change in a year. considering I passed it in the past.

I have known about FD testing coming up for a while but didn't know when. this was for a different city job, but if i fail this ECG then I'm also going to have a problem with the FD ECG and blood work probably.

Im going to give blood to drop my RBCS, drop my test to 125 and try to limit the adderal, its hard to function with out addderal because of fog and fatigue, but It does make me cramp hard, so maybe that could be part of it. Hoepfully 5-7 days off is enough time? before i see the cardiologist.

I want to try to give blood and get my blood work in range before seeing him if possible. The FD medical won't be for another few months but its still nerve racking that I have symptoms of a bundle branch or whatever its called.

thans for the help guys. Im about to throw out my dbols so I don't take them.
 
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Selenium makes Ubiquinol more effective too. Read that on Life Extension.

MouthBreather, I hope you're taking Ubiquinol!

Pretty sure I just ordered both the other day. IF not I will order ubiquonal today.ive taken it in the past for not for an extended time.


Hopefully they take blood from me on monday.
 
Selenium has some downsides also especially prostate, cancer and otherwise.....and i would really look at that compound from all sides before jumping on extra selenium
 
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