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GDA'S with insulin (safe?)

Cinder

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When using slin (more specifically lantus) is gda needed.
I don't know much about this stuff. Also, how risky isn't use with insulin or even igf
 
It depends upon your doses and diet. I use GDA's with slin but not really when the slin is active. GDA's can be very strong so you have to be careful with the added sensitivity. Using lantus means it's obviously always going to be active. However due to the way lantus works on the body I don't see an issue as long as you eat accordingly. You could add GDA's to your largest carb meals,. Although if using lantus I would personally just use more lantus and save the GDA's for when you have breaks.
 
It depends upon your doses and diet. I use GDA's with slin but not really when the slin is active. GDA's can be very strong so you have to be careful with the added sensitivity. Using lantus means it's obviously always going to be active. However due to the way lantus works on the body I don't see an issue as long as you eat accordingly. You could add GDA's to your largest carb meals,. Although if using lantus I would personally just use more lantus and save the GDA's for when you have breaks.

Thanks bud
 
How often are you checking your fasting glucose? Is that how you’re getting your lantus dosage?
 
Really should be using the fast acting insulin, I always use alongside Metformin for insulin sensetivity

Ted

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How often are you checking your fasting glucose? Is that how you’re getting your lantus dosage?

Once actually. But with lantus it's pretty stabe
50-60iu early morning.
 
Really should be using the fast acting insulin, I always use alongside Metformin for insulin sensetivity

Ted

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I hate sides from other slin.
And I seem to get far superior gains on lantus with zero feeling that I'm on slin (the negatives)
 
Fair enough.. Never had any sides so long as I get my carbs right, 7g per iu of Humulin R


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GDA with insulin is wasting money.

Cinder, you always seem to have 10x things running through your head at once. DHB, GH, Insulin, GDAs,...hire a coach bro. You need structure.
 
GDA with insulin is wasting money.

Cinder, you always seem to have 10x things running through your head at once. DHB, GH, Insulin, GDAs,...hire a coach bro. You need structure.

You're right. But it's not really about me running it all, or even at once or anything. Just more understanding about everything is what I seek. Because the fact is, Ive talked to coaches, and I wanna make sure I understand what each one is talking about lol.
 
Cinder,

Could you post your diet (with meal times) while using Lantus? Giving details about what you eat pre/post workout and cardio.

Thanks
 
I'm currently using Lantus in conjunction with Humalog pre and post workout, and I'll add in GDA's with those carb meals peri-workout.

Lantus has a 24 hour half-life, but I believe it tends to tail off around 12-14 hours so I actually split my dose in two.

~6:00AM Upon waking: 15 iu Lantus
4:00pm: Pre-workout meal and 6 iu Humalog, and GDA
8:30PM: Post-workout meal and 6 iu Humalog, and GDA.
Pre-bed: 15 iu Lantus

For what it's worth I only started using Lantus several weeks ago during my post show rebound phase.

Total carbs are ~460 with most of them consumed pre, intra, and post. My last offseason my carbs got up to around ~600 at it's highest. I'm hoping to maintain better BG this growth phase to extend my offseason and optimize my growth.
 
I'm currently using Lantus in conjunction with Humalog pre and post workout, and I'll add in GDA's with those carb meals peri-workout.

Lantus has a 24 hour half-life, but I believe it tends to tail off around 12-14 hours so I actually split my dose in two.

~6:00AM Upon waking: 15 iu Lantus
4:00pm: Pre-workout meal and 6 iu Humalog, and GDA
8:30PM: Post-workout meal and 6 iu Humalog, and GDA.
Pre-bed: 15 iu Lantus

For what it's worth I only started using Lantus several weeks ago during my post show rebound phase.

Total carbs are ~460 with most of them consumed pre, intra, and post. My last offseason my carbs got up to around ~600 at it's highest. I'm hoping to maintain better BG this growth phase to extend my offseason and optimize my growth.

nice.. keep us posted on how things go..
 
Cinder,

Could you post your diet (with meal times) while using Lantus? Giving details about what you eat pre/post workout and cardio.

Thanks

That changes and it's been awhile.
Last time I did this...it was great for me personally.

4x a day I had this :
4 ounces chicken, whey isolate shake (40g protein), 30g carbs from vegan buck wheat pancakes.

Before bed I'd have 20g protein whey isolate with 1.5 cups lactose free milk.

Pre workout 80g. Carbs from rice maltodextrin.
Intra workout 80g carbs from rice maltodextin with 30g carbs from hbcd.
Post workout 40g carbs from rice maltodextin, 20g whey isolate.

I had mct oil here and there.
 
There is absolutely no purpose for lantus on that little amount of food.

My wife legitimately eats more than that..
 
There is absolutely no purpose for lantus on that little amount of food.

My wife legitimately eats more than that..

Maybe around 3500 cals per day.
And...sure there is. Makes you huge.
I'm 250 lbs 5'8...works for me.
 
Thanks for posting up your diet!

Now back to your original question-
When using slin (more specifically lantus) is gda needed.
I don't know much about this stuff. Also, how risky isn't use with insulin or even igf

Using Mike Arnold's web-site, he defines GDA as- Sensitizers, Mimetics, and Secretagogues.

Where Mimetics and Secretagogues copy the effects of insulin or increase the production of insulin.

Just my opinion (and i live solely in the world of bro-science) that if you are using lantus that Mimetics and Secretagogues are over-kill and most likely a waste of money.

However, sensitizers are a different matter. I personally use Metformin and ceylon cinnamon when I use lantus or other insulins.
 
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Thanks for posting up your diet!

Now back to your original question-


Using Mike Arnold's web-site, he defines GDA as- Sensitizers, Mimetics, and Secretagogues.

Where Mimetics and Secretagogues copy the effects of insulin or increase the production of insulin.

Just my opinion (and i live solely in the world of bro-science) that if you are using lantus that Mimetics and Secretagogues are over-kill and most likely a waste of money.

However, sensitizers are a different matter. I personally use Metformin and ceylon cinnamon when I use lantus or other insulins.

This was my thinking behind this thread.
And many products seem to have both sensitizers and memetics. So I'm probably gonna use berberine and chromium pico. I think that's an insulin sensetizer.
 

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