Ideal Blast/Cruise Time

[BoredStiff]

I'm starting back up after 4 years on just TRT and I want to get a a vague idea what you guys have found best for a balance of maintaining gains and maintaining health.

Now, I'm a moderate user, I really try not to take above 500-600mg of total compounds. This is not set in stone, but it's what I consider a blast and what I am doing now (this is probably one of my harshest one because of the tren, but this is as high as I take it):

Test E./Mast E/Tren Ace (50mg EOD of each, essentially a rip blend I suppose)
I cruise on Just 50mg of Test E. EOD (along with HCG, aromasin and 5mg cialis)

Support Supps: (year round, only thing I lower is the Niacin to 500mg)
Niacin 1000mg/ED
Red Yeast Rice 600mg/ED
Ubiquinol 200mg/ED
Beet Root Extract 200mg/ED
Hawthorne Extract 600mg/ED
Baby Aspiring 1 Daily, Donate Blood 3x per year

I've generally just followed a rule of thumb of 2 months on/2 months off. My bloodwork comes back very good and I've been curious about doing 2 months on/1 month off as I've heard of a few people doing so, claiming receptors are good to go again in about a month and it's enough time to take stress off the body (if you're living a healthy lifestyle) while minimizing loss of gains.

Wanted to get your guys take on it. Last time I cycled was early 2000's and I was just cycling/PCT/Repeat so I'd be interested in following some sound advice. That two months of cruising does feel like forever, but want to stay healthy as well.

 

[Fit2Serve]

How old are you?
-F2S

 

[BoredStiff]

How old are you?
-F2S

34, started bodybuilding at 13 or 14. Juiced through college, natural rest of the time. TRT last four years.

 

[nothuman]

8 weeks on, 8 weeks off I think works not only for health recovery, but for the body to re-adapt to AAS again. Remember the effects weaken the longer you are on. You need enough time for the body to respond well again.

 

[Chrism329]

Exactly

That is pretty much exactly what I just started trying....7

 

[maldorf]

8 weeks on, 8 weeks off I think works not only for health recovery, but for the body to re-adapt to AAS again. Remember the effects weaken the longer you are on. You need enough time for the body to respond well again.

I always felt that 8 weeks was about when the gains really started to slow down on a cycle, so getting off then and doing a HRT or cruise is smart IMO. if you stay on longer then you end up increasing the dose in order to continue with gains, at least that is what happened to me a lot. I would say 10 weeks max.

However long you are on then you should be off just as long or more. Cruising on too much test wont allow your hematocrit to get down to normal levels either, so watch that.

 

[nothuman]

I always felt that 8 weeks was about when the gains really started to slow down on a cycle, so getting off then and doing a HRT or cruise is smart IMO. if you stay on longer then you end up increasing the dose in order to continue with gains, at least that is what happened to me a lot. I would say 10 weeks max.

However long you are on then you should be off just as long or more. Cruising on too much test wont allow your hematocrit to get down to normal levels either, so watch that.

Very true.

Here is a nice study showing Anavar's effects were almost equally effective whether used for 6 weeks or 12 weeks (in seniors but that shouldn't make a difference)
http://www.ergo-log.com/oxandrolone6or12weeks.html

So that puts 6-8 weeks as ideal time depending on the esther used.

Then you need to let your body reset to get re-adjusted. It's just like caffeine, Xanax, etc. The body adapts to substances quickly. You need your body to forget about it if you want better results the next time you re-introduce it.

 

[thethinker48]

For as long as you can GIVEN: As long as blood look ok and you're consistently progressing: recovering, eating properly (appetite is there), sleeping. But I like nothumans 8 week approach, because no one's having good bloods using compounds like tren and orals.

Factors such as stress, CNS stress accumulation and sleep habits will dictate the time period just as much as the myostatin effects of steroid use.



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[hilly2008]

Cycle for as long as your healthy n making progress and reach your goal.

Cruise for as long as it takes to regain healthy blood work , fasting BG, any elevated BP etc etc on top of making sure body is rested n recovered.

Any one giving out set in stone numbers is just silly in my opinion.


When people say 6 on 2 off or 8 on 4 off your not really blast n cruise as your levels are always high.

This is a constant cycle in my opinion


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[nothuman]

Another neat trick is to take 7-14 days off from weight training before starting a blast. Then you introduce weight training and AAS again simultaneously to get off to a strong start.

 

[NEMSZ]

Very true.

Here is a nice study showing Anavar's effects were almost equally effective whether used for 6 weeks or 12 weeks (in seniors but that shouldn't make a difference)
http://www.ergo-log.com/oxandrolone6or12weeks.html

So that puts 6-8 weeks as ideal time depending on the esther used.

Then you need to let your body reset to get re-adjusted. It's just like caffeine, Xanax, etc. The body adapts to substances quickly. You need your body to forget about it if you want better results the next time you re-introduce it.

I 2nd your motion..

Though you can post all the studies you want and people are still going to post;

“Hey bros, what do you think if I do Test/Tren/Mast at 25mg ED for 6 months, way healthier right?”

 

[LK3]

i swear we just discussed the bastardization of this terminology:banghead:
:star-w:rs

 

[NEMSZ]

i swear we just discussed the bastardization of this terminology:banghead:
:star-w:rs

So what do we call it then? Lol I don’t see a problem with it, I see a problem with the people who think adding anything but TRT dose of Testosterone is cruising...

But to me “cruise” means TRT and “blast” means anything added to that whether it even be 50mg extra of testosterone or Anavar at 10mg a day etc... Its a blast.. lol

 

[maldorf]

So what do we call it then? Lol I don’t see a problem with it, I see a problem with the people who think adding anything but TRT dose of Testosterone is cruising...

But to me “cruise” means TRT and “blast” means anything added to that whether it even be 50mg extra of testosterone or Anavar at 10mg a day etc... Its a blast.. lol

Well, someone calling 250 mg/wk testosterone TRT really is not accurate. If it isn't TRT and it isn't a blast, what do we call it? Most call it a cruise.

 

[NEMSZ]

Well, someone calling 250 mg/wk testosterone TRT really is not accurate. If it isn't TRT and it isn't a blast, what do we call it? Most call it a cruise.

I’d call it a blast lol

I think it’s pretty well established by members who take their health seriously and who train seriously that they keep about 90% of their look on TRT ranging from 100-150mg per week..

If a guy competes (which in my opinion as I’ve stated in other threads is ridiculous unless life changing amounts of money are made) then I can see some of those guys having reason to “cruise” on higher doses of Test...

But for the rest of us regular guys, it’s all an ego and addiction...

 

[hilly2008]

I’d call it a blast lol



I think it’s pretty well established by members who take their health seriously and who train seriously that they keep about 90% of their look on TRT ranging from 100-150mg per week..



If a guy competes (which in my opinion as I’ve stated in other threads is ridiculous unless life changing amounts of money are made) then I can see some of those guys having reason to “cruise” on higher doses of Test...



But for the rest of us regular guys, it’s all an ego and addiction...

250mg per week puts some in normal range.

Most a touch above but some within range so stating this isn’t accurate.

A blast is anything that puts you at super physiological doses I would say is an accurate description


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[NEMSZ]

250mg per week puts some in normal range.

Most a touch above but some within range so stating this isn’t accurate.

A blast is anything that puts you at super physiological doses I would say is an accurate description


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You said it; “some”

From majority of blood work posted I’d say the opposite... I know there’s guys who respond poorly to Test and it’s been proven those special cases need higher doses, and that’s assuming they get it Pharma prescribed, if it’s UGL Test and they think they’re “non responders” well we can clearly see from the Anasci testing that it’s definitely not the “responders” fault lol

But MAJORITY of people can be within the high range with 100mg-150mg per week.. Many on here have proven it even with 10mg per day they were in the 600-800 range...

“Super physiological” is anything above normal range, so roughly 1100ng/dL..

Not 1400, not 1800, not 2000... Lets be real here...

Aren’t you also the same guy who blasts grams of gear, pops extacy and drinks like a fish at Ibiza for 2 weeks (and if I recall correctly you admit to partying quite a bit in a thread a while back) and still manages to have perfect blood work and put on 10lbs of muscle at the same time?

If anyone needs 250mg+ of Test to be in NORMAL range you better either get your gear tested or I feel bad for you and it must suck to be such a low responder.... PERIOD..

 

[LK3]

So what do we call it then? Lol I don’t see a problem with it, I see a problem with the people who think adding anything but TRT dose of Testosterone is cruising...

But to me “cruise” means TRT and “blast” means anything added to that whether it even be 50mg extra of testosterone or Anavar at 10mg a day etc... Its a blast.. lol

first, blast doesnt have to be limited to drugs, i feel the biggest key factor to the "blast" is trianing:lightbulb:

because of that, and if you were even remotely trying to use the words correct there is no such thing as ideal. you train until you are no longer able to progress with weight and or repitions in that manor. so you stop the training cycle.

this is done to recover

you recover for as long as it takes, wich again if we go back we are talking 2 weeks or so.

since then some and parts have reverted or changed to lengthen that "cruise" until blood work is normal.

most however were not fuckng themselves up that bad with a blast to need that, so you blast aka train balls out. when progress stops, you stop, you recover the cns then you go back to it.

drugs are a small part of it.

the problem is ppl are only looking at this as a drug concept.
totally missing the actual important part... training!:lightbulb::lightbulb::banghead:

cruise time also was not 50mg eod, it was more like 50mg/wk or 100mg wk or just pound other shit and making giant changes to training so that one could recover.

diet also changed.

dude should just be saying i wana take steroids and then i wana take less steroids and then i wana take more steroids again.. lol

idk, so many use words that are pretty far from how and where the words and concepts started from.

blast n cruise this is not, no diet talk no trianing talk, sounds to me like more drugs less drugs more drugs then less drugs. maybe he will find a piece of chicken and a gym in between injections. lol

what do i know

 

[armada]

Depends on your goals.

I don't compete, and use moderate doses when blasting, so I usually blast 10 weeks and then cruise 8 weeks.

I'll be cutting soon, so I'll blast for all 12 weeks of the cut.

500 Test EW weeks 1-12
200 Deca EW weeks 1-6
25-50mg var ED weeks 9-12
2iu GH 4-6x/week

I may cruise for 10 weeks after that blast, depending on how I feel.

 

[NEMSZ]

first, blast doesnt have to be limited to drugs, i feel the biggest key factor to the "blast" is trianing:lightbulb:

because of that, and if you were even remotely trying to use the words correct there is no such thing as ideal. you train until you are no longer able to progress with weight and or repitions in that manor. so you stop the training cycle.

this is done to recover

you recover for as long as it takes, wich again if we go back we are talking 2 weeks or so.

since then some and parts have reverted or changed to lengthen that "cruise" until blood work is normal.

most however were not fuckng themselves up that bad with a blast to need that, so you blast aka train balls out. when progress stops, you stop, you recover the cns then you go back to it.

drugs are a small part of it.

the problem is ppl are only looking at this as a drug concept.
totally missing the actual important part... training!:lightbulb::lightbulb::banghead:

cruise time also was not 50mg eod, it was more like 50mg/wk or 100mg wk or just pound other shit and making giant changes to training so that one could recover.

diet also changed.

dude should just be saying i wana take steroids and then i wana take less steroids and then i wana take more steroids again.. lol

idk, so many use words that are pretty far from how and where the words and concepts started from.

blast n cruise this is not, no diet talk no trianing talk, sounds to me like more drugs less drugs more drugs then less drugs. maybe he will find a piece of chicken and a gym in between injections. lol

what do i know

Ok I can agree with that; sort of like a Dorian Yates or DC approach?

But let’s be honest, everyone relates it to drugs... lol

I mean, for the intelligent guys I think it goes without saying that if you’re going to up/add drugs the training and food needs to be compensated for as well.. At least that’s what I plan on doing when I start my “blast” very soon lol

Now that doesn’t mean when you come back to TRT to slack off completely, one should still certainly train/eat/sleep correctly to keep/maintain gains, but I definitely don’t go as hard or as concentrated (admittedly) as when I add things in, because on TRT it’s become a new normal but if I add things/up the dose and don’t hit the gym right and eat etc then I feel like I’m just wasting time with the added drugs which has caused me to end 2 blasts last year after only about 2-3 weeks.. I wasn’t giving it my all and had issues with work and personal so I stopped and came back to TRT and even came off completely twice for 6 weeks...