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EVERYTHING you can do for a major back problem

rookx750

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A friend has done everything as far as conventional medicine to relieve a major back injure and is at last option.....Surgery.
The condition of the back is major budge,heriations, tore disc that has gone pretty much flat, and affecting nerves. He has rehab it back to feeling good enough to hold off surgery then there are other times where he is it constant pain and only feels ok lying in bed on his side.
He been dealing with it for years so he pretty knowledgeable on what’s going on but want to hear everyone else options on everything you can do without surgery.


Supplement (otc and “other;)”)
Devices
Therapies beside mediocre PT
Tricks and knowledge ( obviously totally changed up training but some weeks/month can’t even at all)
I know a lit of ppl have gone through this and really wants just some good solid advice as he feels medical technology will have better and way less invasive techniques in the future when it come time to go under the knife.
 
Sorry I left the location of the injury out. Of course it’s L4-L5 and a little above and fecit.
 
If it’s that terrible then I don’t see what the fear is about surgery? It’s not like years ago where it was a butcher job, technology has come a long way...

My pops had 2 back surgeries, they had to remove his vertebrae and open it more to let the nerves pass through and put them back in as they were growing wrong and compressing the discs and the nerves etc... They had him standing up a few hours after surgery and within a month he was doing work on the roof of our house etc. He’s able to workout and run and do all kinds of stuff with no pain.. He tells me all the time he would do it again in a heart beat if he had to or ever got a back injury again...

Oh and he got his first surgery like 18 years ago and the 2nd one like 8-9 years ago.. I’m sure things are even better now in that field..
 
After living off Hydrocodone, I had a microdiscectomy at L4/L5 over 3 yrs ago best decision I made after I tried every other option out there and nothing worked, they were able to clean all the fragmented disc and trim to alleviate the pressure. I was lucky it didn't have to be fused then my outcome might have been different.
 
If the disc has gone flat and its disc on disc as well as affecting the nerve,not much you're gonna do without surgery. He waits too long and he will have permanent nerve damage..and if the nerve dies,well thats a whole other issue. and he'll be wishing he had the surgery.
Been there,done that...
 
What is it about surgery by a specialist is he worried about? It's about quality of life and his sounds low. Even if they fuse L4-5, he won't be able to tell. I think a lot of people are afraid to get surgery because they think there's going to be a big physical limitation. After certain surgeries you should limit certain activities and that's because you don't want to further damage the spine.

I have C3-4 fused from Ankylosing Spondylitis, C5-T1 surgically fused and L4-s1 surgically fused. I've also had a fractured T6 vertebrae, L4-5 & L5s1 Laminectomy (many years before my fusion), C3-4 left side Foraminotomy and a L2-3 Microdiscectomy.

Do some research on spine specialists in the area and get three opinions.
 
What is it about surgery by a specialist is he worried about? It's about quality of life and his sounds low. Even if they fuse L4-5, he won't be able to tell. I think a lot of people are afraid to get surgery because they think there's going to be a big physical limitation. After certain surgeries you should limit certain activities and that's because you don't want to further damage the spine.

Exactly. Not a very invasive surgery at all.
 
If the guy has been looking at the studies. They show that about 50% of people are unhappy with the surgery they had. Most everyone I know that has had spine surgery complains about their back hurting still. But these guys probably had way to high of expectations. And they don't work out and I am sure only did rehab when they went to the therapist and not the daily home care they tell you to do. I had L4-5 fused a couple metal rods put in to pull my spine back in place part of the vertebrae removed to give the nerves more room. A 2 inch incision on either side of the spine was all that was needed for the type of surgery that I had, but every Dr does it how he was trained. The newer methods are much better then to older ones. I was out of the hospital the next morning off all pain meds a few days later. Back in the gym(doing baby weights) in 10 days and back to work in 8 days.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...nd-therapies/minimally-invasive-spine-surgery
 
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A friend has done everything as far as conventional medicine to relieve a major back injure and is at last option.....Surgery.
The condition of the back is major budge,heriations, tore disc that has gone pretty much flat, and affecting nerves. He has rehab it back to feeling good enough to hold off surgery then there are other times where he is it constant pain and only feels ok lying in bed on his side.
He been dealing with it for years so he pretty knowledgeable on what’s going on but want to hear everyone else options on everything you can do without surgery.


Supplement (otc and “other;)”)
Devices
Therapies beside mediocre PT
Tricks and knowledge ( obviously totally changed up training but some weeks/month can’t even at all)
I know a lit of ppl have gone through this and really wants just some good solid advice as he feels medical technology will have better and way less invasive techniques in the future when it come time to go under the knife.
I know back surgery sounds scary (I had a laminectomy on my L4-L5 9 years ago) but it's FAR less invasive and problematic than people think (don't get me started on shoulder surgery though lol). And I think the techniques have probably improved even more since then.

He will have a couple weeks of rest then about a month of pt then go about his life. Now, pt isn't magical by any means but it may help. It didn't help my underlying problem though so I had to learn ALOT about back pain, injuries and training to improve that. It took me a while but I came out stronger than I went in.

The main thing, as others have mentioned, is to take pressure off the nerves because once they're gone it's essentially impossible to restore them. And that sucks. I'm still dealing with the effects of the nerve impingement and probably will my whole life. Fortunately, it's limited to having very little tibialis strength/resting muscle tone and superficial feeling in my right foot. There is some slight weakness in my hamstring on that side but it's much more manageable. All that and I only waited 3 weeks between disc herniation and surgery. So, I'm concerned at the damage he's doing to his nerves by waiting so long.

I understand his reluctance but it sure sounds like surgery is the best route for him at this point.
 
How bad do you need to be to opt for surgery?

I have nerve problems once every 3 or 4 months that puts me down for a week but scared to consider surgery when I am pretty good the rest of the time
 
How bad do you need to be to opt for surgery?

I have nerve problems once every 3 or 4 months that puts me down for a week but scared to consider surgery when I am pretty good the rest of the time
Well, it's really up to you and your surgeon. That said, if it only flares up a few weeks a year (depending what flares up is), then I would stay away from surgery and I kind of doubt many surgeons would take you as a patient. I think they'd opt for cortisone shots or other anti-inflammatory methods first.
 
Kratom

I would only recommend Kratom if I had a severe injury....it's a powerful plant. There's a real reason why so many people use it, along with coming off opioids.....it works and it great for helping with severe pain.
 
WOW i am at a loss of words, I know everyone deals with certain things that impact their life BUT fuck some of you guys have been through hell and back with their back problems.

I really appreciate all the responses and hearing and seeing all these major surgeries. Some of you guys have a serious collection of hardware.

He’s gotten 2 options from top spine doctor in the state both said it is in his hands. It is not major to rush into surgery but some day he will. They also said his quality of life is that bad there is definitely things that need fixing and replaced. Also said the longer he wait the more damage will ultimately will be done. MRI prove that to as they look worse everytime.

Like some of you guys mentioned it’s the worrisome about his career. His job requires him to go out physically Go to the accounts and also requires services while he is there. There has been other employees with back and neck surgeries but he said they are forced into an inside sales position or pushed out. He is at a pivotal point in his life and career that he is right on the verge of moving up the ladder one step(but doesn’t have a time frame has been there for a while but there just isn’t the turn over to progress when your time) or move in a different direction. That fear of 5 plus months of being out scares him into even keeping his mouth shut about the pain he has because of the job. Again thank you guys so much I love to come here and asked for information because I know I’m going to get real life, educated solid advice.
 
WOW i am at a loss of words, I know everyone deals with certain things that impact their life BUT fuck some of you guys have been through hell and back with their back problems.

I really appreciate all the responses and hearing and seeing all these major surgeries. Some of you guys have a serious collection of hardware.

He’s gotten 2 options from top spine doctor in the state both said it is in his hands. It is not major to rush into surgery but some day he will. They also said his quality of life is that bad there is definitely things that need fixing and replaced. Also said the longer he wait the more damage will ultimately will be done. MRI prove that to as they look worse everytime.

Like some of you guys mentioned it’s the worrisome about his career. His job requires him to go out physically Go to the accounts and also requires services while he is there. There has been other employees with back and neck surgeries but he said they are forced into an inside sales position or pushed out. He is at a pivotal point in his life and career that he is right on the verge of moving up the ladder one step(but doesn’t have a time frame has been there for a while but there just isn’t the turn over to progress when your time) or move in a different direction. That fear of 5 plus months of being out scares him into even keeping his mouth shut about the pain he has because of the job. Again thank you guys so much I love to come here and asked for information because I know I’m going to get real life, educated solid advice.

Health > ANY career bro...

What’s he going to do when it gets so bad that he’s really forced into taking a longer recovery after a possibly more intense surgery because of extra damage being done?? .

I don’t know how old your friend is but I’m assuming he’s young enough and a strong guy, he DEFINITELY won’t be out for 5 months.. If the doctors are saying that then find a new specialist...

My pops was 42 the last surgery he had and he was doing a roof job on our house less than 30 days later and we literally just came back from a 3 mile run together 10 minutes ago and he’s 51 now... No issues.. Granted I don’t know where you live or the quality of doctors but my dad’s surgeon is one of the top neurosurgeons in the field period..
 
For what it's worth,I chose to continue working through the pain like your buddy (welding pipe on hi-rise bldgs) since I was one of the welding foreman for my contractor.

That proved to be a huge tactical error on my part. Had I listened to my wife (I know I know lol :banghead: ) I probably wouldn't have ended up with $350k worth of surgery on my lumbar spine. See below:
 

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I would only recommend Kratom if I had a severe injury....it's a powerful plant. There's a real reason why so many people use it, along with coming off opioids.....it works and it great for helping with severe pain.

That's just going to mask pain and if you take enough of it for a prolonged period, you'll have withdrawal from that too. Just ask JJB1. Completely masking pain is the worse thing you can do if you have a mechanical issue with the back. The pain is there as a reminder of what not to do or you may make it worse.
 
For what it's worth,I chose to continue working through the pain like your buddy (welding pipe on hi-rise bldgs) since I was one of the welding foreman for my contractor.

That proved to be a huge tactical error on my part. Had I listened to my wife (I know I know lol :banghead: ) I probably wouldn't have ended up with $350k worth of surgery on my lumbar spine. See below:

Wow, looks like you had scoliosis. They have it straightened out now? The damage there looks really bad. Sounds like you are ok now and that's good to know.
 
Wow, looks like you had scoliosis. They have it straightened out now? The damage there looks really bad. Sounds like you are ok now and that's good to know.

Never had scoliosis (had several screenings throughout school,remember the school nurse/visiting doctor doing that shit every few years when we were kids? lol). The sideways curvature came from 25years of carrying lengths of heavy pipe every day at work, exclusively on my right shoulder. Pipe was anywhere from 25-200lbs depending if it was cast-iron,corporation pipe,Sch.40 carbon steel weld pipe,etc.

I have stenosis,spondylosis,radiculopathy and a few other things I forgot;none of it is good.

No,I still have that curve that's visible in the x-ray (pic on left side that looks like I have a cock bolted to my spine is current,pic on right side of screen was 1st fusion L5-S1) I'm relatively ok,I know my limits and work around them in daily life as well as the gym. I'll never be the same and there's more things I cannot do versus things I can do,and my career as a Union plumber is over. I could be much worse off so I rarely,if ever complain about it.
Nobody listens anyway :D
 
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Never had scoliosis (had several screenings throughout school,remember the school nurse/visiting doctor doing that shit every few years when we were kids? lol). The sideways curvature came from 25years of carrying lengths of heavy pipe every day at work, exclusively on my right shoulder. Pipe was anywhere from 25-200lbs depending if it was cast-iron,corporation pipe,Sch.40 carbon steel weld pipe,etc.

I have stenosis,spondylosis,radiculopathy and a few other things I forgot;none of it is good.

No,I still have that curve that's visible in the x-ray (pic on left side that looks like I have a cock bolted to my spine is current,pic on right side of screen was 1st fusion L5-S1) I'm relatively ok,I know my limits and work around them in daily life as well as the gym. I'll never be the same and there's more things I cannot do versus things I can do,and my career as a Union plumber is over. I could be much worse off so I rarely,if ever complain about it.
Nobody listens anyway :D

Wow, you really did put your body through a lot. Did you ever ask the doctor that if you had switched sides to carry the load if your spine would have stayed straighter? That is nuts how it affected your back so much in one direction. Almost as if you were wearing a brace that pulled you that way.
 

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