Solution to Purity Issues and False Claims

[animal eater]

Seeing how this is the biggest bodybuilding board with probably the most sponsors, it would be nice to see the following take place at the sponsors cost.

1. Each and every company that advertises a product must have products verified by third person lab before being allowed to advertise a product.

2. Like a actor or actress in the porn industry, they must be re-tested on a regular basis.

3. Build in these costs which are paid for by the vendor for proof of authenticity.

4. If some one fails to be able to back up ANY product, the company no longer may sell such product.

The only people who have something to lose will be those who are selling rubbish.

The end result will be better products and even if people have to pay more, they at least will have some peace of mind when they are using products.

Anyways, just my 2 cents.

 

[animal eater]

For what it's worth, I have no affiliation, like or dislike toward any of the sponsors here. I train naturally but find it pretty silly how much debate and banter stems from promises and false promises on this board.

 

[rAJJIN]

How about if we Hold your hand and take you on Nice slow walks to to the Park also?

Who is going to take care of and handle all this "Free testing" for the members?

 

[animal eater]

How about if we Hold your hand and take you on Nice slow walks to to the Park also?

I don't think it is humanly possible for you to have misunderstood my post any more. "Guys like me piss you off"... guys like me actually think that this board should be focused on training, nutrition, the understanding of hormones and communication. Maybe you need to take a breath and take a nice slow walk yourself.

 

[animal eater]

To answer your question, the companies who advertise here. Don't you think a banner lab result will result in increased sales?

 

[rAJJIN]

So exactly what is it you are suggesting?
The sponsor to send in a sample he had done on His Own products??
That would do no good. To easy to get around. Of course they could send in one good sample, then sell 100 bad ones.

 

[Bio]

Seeing how this is the biggest bodybuilding board with probably the most sponsors, it would be nice to see the following take place at the sponsors cost.

1. Each and every company that advertises a product must have products verified by third person lab before being allowed to advertise a product.

2. Like a actor or actress in the porn industry, they must be re-tested on a regular basis.

3. Build in these costs which are paid for by the vendor for proof of authenticity.

4. If some one fails to be able to back up ANY product, the company no longer may sell such product.

The only people who have something to lose will be those who are selling rubbish.

The end result will be better products and even if people have to pay more, they at least will have some peace of mind when they are using products.

Anyways, just my 2 cents.

I understand where you're coming from, and it's obvious you mean well and are looking out for the well being of the board members, but rAJJIN is right. Any sponsor could send in legitimate samples at any given time to a lab, meanwhile sending out under dosed or bunk gear to its customers.

 

[animal eater]

So exactly what is it you are suggesting?
The sponsor to send in a sample he had done on His Own products??
That would do no good. To easy to get around. Of course they could send in one good sample, then sell 100 bad ones.

Is it possible for sponsors to cheat? Absolutely but by at least having a standard in which they will be asked to abide by and by random testing, it will IMPROVE, not fix a pretty serious issue.

The steroid and peptide industry is a big dollar one at that. While I don't know the actual cost of advertising here, my suggestion is by raising prices X percent to include costs of testing that it will wean out a few companies in a hurry. I liken it to when a restaurant has an A on the window. People want to eat there more frequently.

Look, I am not an idealist. I know as you know full well that this industry has some shady characters. My point being is why not bring this board up to the next level and that includes the sponsors as well. In life and in business, people either go forward, backwards or tread water. Big A is clearly a go forward person.

 

[rAJJIN]

Hey Animal Eater...After taking that long walk I read your post again and see your just trying to help...not point fingers.

For it to work it would have to be done at random by a willy-lump lump account.
Do you have a 100% legitimate lab that will do the testing.
Not some back-room secret friend of a friend testing method?

 

[rAJJIN]

We had something like this in the works years ago.
It was a group of trusted members under the handle Quality control.
Before it could happen there was this thing called Operation Raw deal.
The feds shut down the only good honest lab testing company Ive known of.
Most here im sure will remember.

I think for Basic AAS you need a chromo(sp) something machine.
If a guy had that and took the classes or whatever it takes to know how to use it properly he could probably make a million..... Or get arrested like srcs guys.

 

[littlebill]

All of this testing would increase the cost of product. Trust Your Source! Plain and simple. If you don't then you have no business injecting or ingesting a questionable product. There is a sponsor section here full of reviews. I believe we all know around here who is GTG.

 

[animal eater]

Hey Animal Eater...After taking that long walk I read your post again and see your just trying to help...not point fingers.

For it to work it would have to be done at random by a willy-lump lump account.
Do you have a 100% legitimate lab that will do the testing.
Not some back-room secret friend of a friend testing method?

Cheers raJJIN, I agree that it would have to be done by a "willy-lump lump" professional. Hell where I live which is Australia, you couldn't even get the products into the lab so to speak. The only lab access I have is the torture chamber where myself and my staff abuse people on a daily basis.

I think it would be pretty cool if for once people could go to this site and say not only is there good info to be taken in but a board which only features legit sponsors. If that was the case the value of advertising would increase because frankly people wouldn't bother looking elsewhere.

 

[animal eater]

All of this testing would increase the cost of product. Trust Your Source! Plain and simple. If you don't then you have no business injecting or ingesting a questionable product. There is a sponsor section here full of reviews. I believe we all know around here who is GTG.

littlebill, I hear you. I think anyone who is going to take anything should know your source. I will say though as a long term member that some sponsors have hit and miss periods. I believe that anyone in any type of business has to have some accountability sometimes.

 

[LIFTW8S]

I think animal eater, is on the right track. Just how though the board/sponsors would go about it-is where I think issues would arise. Like mentioned before, you could just send in a few good samples, then sell all your "seconds" or "bad vials" and walk away with the members dough without any real consequences.

 

[rAJJIN]

These research and testing facilities you see and hear about lately Im not sure of.

My understanding is It would be illegal for an individual to send in a sample, atleast here in the USA. Thats why they closed srcs.
And even back then they could not test HGH, they would tell you that.

Maybe the laws have changed and the game has advanced rite before my eyes But I still have not see a place the community considers 100% legit as they did with srcs.

 

[animal eater]

To me a dark shadow of doubt was raised today. I believe we all have different comfort levels regarding risk. I am a reckless idiot, but I dont believe its fair to characterize everyone here as such.

triathloncoach, I think that you are like most everyone else here that love training and wants to get the most out of your passion. That is natural. We all except risks with our passions. I train hard and heavy. That is a risk, but as I live where I live and run a reasonable sized company, I just can't risk certain things due to the consequences for me and my family. I just think it would be something if people got what they paid for. We are all big boys and take risk but they shouldn't be increased anymore then they already are.

 

[littlebill]

To me a dark shadow of doubt was raised today. I believe we all have different comfort levels regarding risk. I am a reckless idiot, but I dont believe its fair to characterize everyone here as such.

Are you making reference to the post in the peptide forum? To be honest that questionable product I believe you are referring to worked wonders for me. I will get it again for a 4th run. A cloud of doubt was never over my head for 2 reasons. First I trust the man running that company and second I truly forsee that product as going down as one of the best in history for what it accomplishes.

 

[animal eater]

Two side by side companies....

Company one called real deal gear adheres to testing protocol. They charge 15 percent more but always pass the test.

Company two called sometimes real deal gear doesn't adhere to protocols. Sometimes they sell legit, sometimes bunk. They charge 15 percent less then company one.

I know who I would support and I know who would win long term hands down.

Questions to sponsors out there and I know you are out there. What are your thoughts?

 

[littlebill]

littlebill, I hear you. I think anyone who is going to take anything should know your source. I will say though as a long term member that some sponsors have hit and miss periods. I believe that anyone in any type of business has to have some accountability sometimes.

The Accountability you are referring to would be tarnishing their name and reputation in a highly competetive marketplace. One bad word or even rumor hits the boards they are finished. For good.

 

[littlebill]

Two side by side companies....

Company one called real deal gear adheres to testing protocol. They charge 15 percent more but always pass the test.

Company two called sometimes real deal gear doesn't adhere to protocols. Sometimes they sell legit, sometimes bunk. They charge 15 percent less then company one.

I know who I would support and I know who would win long term hands down.

Questions to sponsors out there and I know you are out there. What are your thoughts?

These are the chances you take in an unregulated business. COA's can be faked easily. Results and positive reviews by 1000's cannot.