Can High E2 stop gains?

[Hulkbulk8]

Signs of High Estrogen....

Here is a list of some of the symptoms of high E2 (you don't have to
experience all of the symptoms to know that you have high E2):
* Depression
* Trouble reaching an orgasm
* No erections while sleeping (i.e. "night wood" or "morning wood")
* Anxiety
* Panic Attacks
* Prostate problems
* Gyneomastia
* Water Retention
* Dizziness/Vertigo
* Increased Blood Pressure
* Decreased Libido
* ED
* When penis is limp, it doesn't hang low (it seems to try to crawl back up)
* Asthma like issues (due to increased water retention around the lungs)
* Trouble sleeping at night - waking up multiple times per night
* Lack of Libido
* Crying while watching TV shows/movies
* Easier to get angry (think PMS)
* Insulin Resistance (getting tired after eating a meal - if left
untreated, it can lead to Type II Diabetes)
* Larger stomach
* Redness on the face and/or chest
* Feeling hotter than everybody else
* Thinner skin/bleeding easier

also...when E2 goes up, it "makes you feel like crap and kills
your sex life". As E2 levels go up, SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin)
levels tend to go up, too. SHBG attaches itself to testosterone and
basically makes the testosterone useless. In other words, you can have
"good" levels of testosterone, but if your SHBG is too high, you still
feel like you have low testosterone .

So I have marked in RED what i am currently experiencing. Since i am not bloating or getting sore nipples i thought my Estrogen was fine not knowing about all the other symptoms that high E2 causes.

My question is if E2 is too high can it stop gains all together while on cycle???
If you are using an anabolic like lets say Test E or Cyp and you are using 1-2g I would assume your Estrogen would sky rocket up very fast if your not taking any AI to regulate or keep under controle. I assume this could limit gains or stop them all together??

 

[fstr03svtcobra]

Well with 1-2g of test plenty of it will not aromatize so gains will not stop completely. But running an appropriate ai dosage will free up some test giving you more anabolic potential and also make you look better.

Estrogen is a huge enemy for almost everyone I know that bodybuilds. It seems like with every cycle or compound, adjustments have to be made to dial in estrogen correctly. Too low and you can't think and too high and you feel like you do currently. For me, with high estrogen, I get mad anxiety/paranoia and high blood pressure. Also high estrogen is hard on you organs - so estrogen should be watched carefully even if you don't feel too bad.

You made a very good point when talking about shbg. What you described happened to one of my buddies.

Lastly, chronic high estrogen will cause fat in the lower back, hamstring, and butt area which is the last place you want to carry "all" of your fat if you are a bodybuilder. The glutes and hamstrings are key areas to display conditioning on stage, and you don't want to make getting them striated any harder than it needs to be (it's already hard enough LOL).

 

[Hulkbulk8]

My gains have completely stopped. Eating everything in site and working out hard and i feel the same as when i first started the cycle.
I was thinking my E2 was the cause, been on 9 weeks starting monday.

 

[fstr03svtcobra]

What exactly are you running?
Cycle history?
How big are you (H,W,BF)?
Which AI and what dosage?

 

[fstr03svtcobra]

Oh and just realized you are the guy who started the deca thread. Yeah so this makes sense now. You like me don't respond to test very well. I am much more of an anabolic guy in terms of how I "get my mass." All test does is keep me lean and give me energy and this is at doses of 1g+. If you have run a gram plus of deca in the past, then 1g of test probably won't feel that great (which is what you are experiencing now).

 

[Kaladryn]

Lots of misinformation here about E2.

 

[mytreefiddy]

Where are the bloods???....and isn't ratio of e2 to Test more important than just "high e2"??

 

[Hulkbulk8]

What exactly are you running?
Cycle history?
How big are you (H,W,BF)?
Which AI and what dosage?

I tried smoething new 1.2-1.5g of test only
So many cycles i cant remember.
6'4, currently 227
Not taking any AI

 

[Hulkbulk8]

Lots of misinformation here about E2.

Your knowledge would be greatly appreciated Kaladryn

 

[Kaladryn]

Your knowledge would be greatly appreciated Kaladryn

If you are going to use a lot of test, do at least a quarter standard daily dose of any AI, I recommend adex. All you need to do us slower E2 a little bit, you have enough testosterone dominance going on.

what is your previous cycle history? jumping on a lot of test when you aren't used to it seems to cause issues (test flu, etc).

 

[Hulkbulk8]

If you are going to use a lot of test, do at least a quarter standard daily dose of any AI, I recommend adex. All you need to do us slower E2 a little bit, you have enough testosterone dominance going on.

what is your previous cycle history? jumping on a lot of test when you aren't used to it seems to cause issues (test flu, etc).

i have used high test a long time ago but lately been only using test for sex drive when on cycle. I have ran so many cycles i cant remember the number.

 

[Ehren]

Something against AI's?

Adex or Aromasin. Adex works better, but harder on lipids. Aromasin is irreversible, so you won't get an E2 rebound and is said to be easier on lipid the profile than other AI's

Start low on the AI and work your way up until you feel better, then stay there or dose EOD. If you go too far, you'll feel bad of a different kind than now.

No, gains won't likely stop with too much E2. Too little E2 is worse for gains, IME.