My panda is about a week into the gyno reduction protocol using Letro and Nolva. So dropping isn't really an option just yet.
Just looking to see if there is a way to counter that side effect.
Yep letro kills your libido. The only reason to take it is if you have already started to develop gyno, because it can reverse it as long as you havent had the gyno for too long. But even then you need to taper down and then switch to another AI because you could get estrogen rebound from Letro.
Some people who are extremely sensitive to gyno might need to take it in small doses if they are on a very heavy cycle of compounds that aromatize. Another scenario where someone might take it is if they compete and are trying to get very dry before a show.
If you dont fall into any of those 3 categories there is really no need to take it. 1.25 mg (half a tab) every third day will even kill your estrogen with letro, its so strong. I speak from experience i have had gyno and reversed it with letro. Then i got gyno another time and didnt have any letro around and needed to get surgery.
Sorry if you look at the time of my post i was typing it out while you were posting last, obviously you do fall under one of those categories.
I was taking a full 2.5mg per day !!! This was almost 10 years ago and Letro was new to the scene and there was not as much information available online, or at least i didnt know about it. Its all about how long you have had the gyno IMO. If it hasnt been there that long and is not really set in i have no doubt that it will shrink it, maybe at 1.25 mg every day then go down from there. If you arent using pharma grade dont even bother. When i finally got it for good i was using Research Chems, i would get a good bottle and it would shrink a bit then i would get bunk stuff and it would come right back.
When i took the 2.5mg per day and got rid of it I was on 800mg of test a week and had zero libido... so i dont think there is a way to have libido while you are on it.
Does anyone know of a way to increase libido while taking Letro? Maybe it isn't even possible...
so because you took like 10x the dose that is usually used it is impossible to have a libido on letro?
i used letro on cycle for quite a while, about 2.5mg a week (divided in 2-3 doses) works well for me for 1g test, just like any other AI
letro is not nearly as strong in men (99% estrogen reduction and such) as you usually read on these forums.
i think the problem with letro is that it has a strong effect on aromatase in the brain or something, and it reduces estrogen in these tissues much more drastically, which leads to loss of libido.
i remember reading that from a doctor or something. i think it was even here on PM. maybe it was stewie? idk
Yeah i agree, did you read my first post? I said about 1.25mg every third day is good to block estrogen. When i used it to eliminate my gyno i took 2.5 mg every day which was an extremely high dose. If you read the post i admit that at the time I was not well educated on letro or its potency, however it did reverse the gyno.
The reason for the libido crash is simple, you need a little estrogen to have libido. High doses of letro can completely eliminate estrogen from the body therefore you have nearly no sex drive. Thats the less scientific explanation...
How did you run the Letro (dosage/length of time) when you had success with it reversing your gyno?
Sorry if you look at the time of my post i was typing it out while you were posting last, obviously you do fall under one of those categories.
I was taking a full 2.5mg per day !!! This was almost 10 years ago and Letro was new to the scene and there was not as much information available online, or at least i didnt know about it. Its all about how long you have had the gyno IMO. If it hasnt been there that long and is not really set in i have no doubt that it will shrink it, maybe at 1.25 mg every day then go down from there. If you arent using pharma grade dont even bother. When i finally got it for good i was using Research Chems, i would get a good bottle and it would shrink a bit then i would get bunk stuff and it would come right back.
When i took the 2.5mg per day and got rid of it I was on 800mg of test a week and had zero libido... so i dont think there is a way to have libido while you are on it.
If you're running letro to counter gyno, just deal with the libido issues until you have your gyno under control. Maybe use some cialis, may not help with libido, but the dick will work and the old lady won't complain much.
agree with thatYeah i agree, did you read my first post? I said about 1.25mg every third day is good to block estrogen. When i used it to eliminate my gyno i took 2.5 mg every day which was an extremely high dose. If you read the post i admit that at the time I was not well educated on letro or its potency, however it did reverse the gyno.
this is not true though.The reason for the libido crash is simple, you need a little estrogen to have libido. High doses of letro can completely eliminate estrogen from the body therefore you have nearly no sex drive. Thats the less scientific explanation...