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Duchaine's Theory of post mediated growth

IRON MAN

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Dan Duchaine's Theory of post AR mediated growth

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from the VIPBOARD;



I am in the process of wrapping up a short 8 week bulker. I've always been interested in Duchaine's Theory of Post AR Mediated Growth and what I understand of it, that I tried it during this cycle. However, I'm not a reckless Duchaine. Much time and energy went into researching every possible aspect of this cycle theory. I am not afraid of being a guinea pig as long as I'm an informed guinea pig. For those of you who don't know, Duchaine's Theory states that at supraphysiological levels of AAS (especially test) another growth pathway opens. This is achieved by reaching levels of 4g-10g of AAS per week. Unfortunately the theory is somewhat incomplete. I say this because even though Duchaine tested this many times, he died before he had a chance to get his entire theory in writing. Information is very hard to find and the biochemistry behind the new pathway can't be found (at least I can't find it). IMO this is not what killed him although after doing it hundreds of times it certainly could have been a factor. I think what ultimately killed Duchaine is the fact that he was the world's best AAS/performance enhancing drug guinea pig. Finally things caught up with him and may he rest in peace.

Anyway, I decided to give this theory a simple test. After gathering all the research I possibly could, studying, talking with other bbers, etc, I began my experiment. My 8 week bulker was run as a standard pyramid with the middle four weeks at supraphysiological levels. I quickly ramped up to the dosages I took and then quickly came back down. I'm currently in week 8 preparing for PCT.

During the middle 4 weeks my dosages were as follows: 2.5g test enan/week, 1g sust/week, 800mg deca/week, 150mg finaprop EOD, and 50mg dbol ED. Approx 4.5-5g of AAS per week.

Results: IMO there is another growth pathway that exists at huge levels of AAS administration. My receptors had to have been supersaturated, yet my gains were incredible. For instance at week 5, I was up 35lbs. On week six I started T3 and will run it through week 9. Right now at week 8 I'm up 45lbs, and I'm continuing to grow albeit slower because of the fat burning of T3 and my down ramp.

Thoughts: I'm 100% positive that there is another growth pathway involved with high AAS administration. The short 4 week "super" cycle was hard on my body but not as hard as I expected it to be. My only side was an increase in my BP top number occasionally, which would not be uncommon under the load I was taking. I will shortly add all my ancies, supps, etc which I know helped keep everything together. I'm trying to get this all down so the bbing community has it. I wish I knew more about the biochemical pathways of the body. I'm certain the new pathway opens due to dose. I wish I could explain how the new pathway works. I wish I could explain what comprises the pathway. In the future, I would not be opposed to running this again with similar AAS (maybe a few changes) for a longer period of time. I'd like to run for 8 consecutive weeks at 6-7g per week with an up ramp and a down ramp. I'd like to run for 16 weeks. However I will not be doing another for quite sometime to let my body readjust. Currently I will still cycle, but not using Duchaine's theory (much lower dosages). I would like to wait at least 9-12 months before attempting this again. I will get blood work done this time every week. I also would like your guys'/gals' help. I need help finding a biochemical engineer or a biomedical engineer, etc who is familiar with AAS that would be interested in tracking progress during my next "super" cycle. I would like to find out and explain this new pathway.

Ancies/Supplements: During my entire cycle here are the ancies, supps, etc I'm taking (I will not include PCT because it will be pretty standard with the addition of cortisol suppression--Cymbalta (duloxetine hcl), Nolva, Femera, Remeron, Clomid, HCG, Proviron, tribus, and ZMA plus reg supps, etc): Femera 1.25mg EOD, Finasteride .5-1mg ED, Inj L-Carnitine 400mg ED, Inj Tripart 100mg ED, Inj B-Complex 38mg ED, Inj Adequan 20mg E7D, T3 25mcg weeks 6-9 with dosages adusted by BBT, Synth Gugglesterones one week (10), Cranberry juice, water, Crystal Light, Gatorade, Powerade, Glucosamine/Chondroitin 1000mg, MSM 1000mg, r-ALA 250mg 2x/day, ALCAR 450mg 2x/day, Green Tea Extract 450mg, ON Whey, Micronized Creatine, Glutamine, Glutamine peptides, Taurine 450mg 2x/day, L-Arginine 450mg 2x/day, Chromium Picolinate 200mcg, Milk Thistle 450mg, Liv-52 250mg 2x/day, Super Omega 3, 6, 9 EFAs 4000IU 2x/day, zinc 50mg 2x/day, multivit, vit c 500mg 2x/day, vit e 400IU, acidolopholous 6mg 2x/day, zanaflex 4-8mg, ultram 150mg, and HCG 250IU 2x per week.

If you have any questions feel free to ask. Also feel free to provide any and all types of feedback, etc. AND if you know of a biochemist, biomedical engineer, etc who would be interested or are a biochemist, biomedical engineer, etc I would be much obliged.


And here are the results:

I had to extend my downramp by four weeks because the body adjustment is just too much. So I ran my last four weeks with just test prop and tren ace.

Please DO NOT try this if you're a newbie or on your fifth cycle, etc, etc. This is my xxx cycle (lost count), and I went in very prepared, and I'm coming out very prepared. A great deal of research and time went into the planning and running of this cycle.

Must add bros that yes, I admit it, I did also run a little Cialis just to see what would happen during my peaks..........Jesus. All I can say is you better have multiple nymphos around at your beck and call because one nympho's (and I don't care how much of a nympho she is) accessible holes are eventually going to get tired. I'm dead serious. Either that or have a fun time punching holes in the wall or beating it to a bloody stump.

Results in total:

Gross weight gain: 45lbs
Net weight gain: 25lbs (this includes a four week T3 cycle within the bulk cycle)

I had the following tests run after PCT. All were normal with the exception of cortisol which was low (exactly where I wanted it).

Here are the tests:
Total Cortisol
DHEA Sulfate
IGF-1
IGFBP-3
Free T3
Free T4
TSH
Total Test
Free Test
Weakly Bound Test
Hemoglobin A1C
Fasting Insulin
CBC
CMP
Lipid Panel
GGT
PSA
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I read a simular theroy that when doses go above 4g EW a secondary effect happens outside of the receptor. Will try to hunt it out for you.

Nice post mate.
 
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God Damn!

You win, you're the man.


What about attempting to find some of Duchaines friends like that Bruce Kneller? Would something like that r3igf add anything to this at the level you're on? This is impressive to me, any chance of getting pics? (I'm not trying or doing, just impressed)
 
Big Bapper said:
I read a simular theroy that when doses go above 4g EW a secondary effect happens outside of the muscle. Will try to hunt it out for you.

Nice post mate.

thank you..

Kahn, I am not taking this amount of drugs. It was a post from the VIP BOARD. I wanted to get some opinions on whether this theory held water.. ;)
 
Oooops, my bad. I'll shut the pie hole and read. I'd like to see before and after pics of these types of experiments, they're cool.
 
Kahn said:
What about attempting to find some of Duchaines friends like that Bruce Kneller?

Bruce was on the old Renegade selling conversion kits before anyone else was, and Animal started a pissing match, where he showed his true color of how he went to the cops, etc (I still have all those emails, that show Animal as a rat). I 'think' Bruce was using Brock Strassman, or something like that as a name.
Anyway, he's a member here.
 
Big A said:
Bruce was on the old Renegade selling conversion kits before anyone else was, and Animal started a pissing match, where he showed his true color of how he went to the cops, etc (I still have all those emails, that show Animal as a rat). I 'think' Bruce was using Brock Strassman, or something like that as a name.
Anyway, he's a member here.

I never did like Animal...not to many ppl know what kinda person he really is.
 
what about your diet? Could that be the deciding factor in you gaining 45lbs? I know i recently got my diet on point (enough protein consistently)for my show n gained weight while dieting, now im doing it again and im growin better than i ever have before. Was the only variable change the doses?
 
SHOT* said:
I never did like Animal...not to many ppl know what kinda person he really is.


I got a gym buddy that went to school with him..he said when he knew him he was a skinny nerdy piece of shit
 
IRON MAN said:
So I take it no one believes his theory to be true or just the opposite? :D
I believe and I also have a friend that when he cycles he does at least 4 grams a week. He's as big as they come. He tried to get me this year to indulge in 4 + grams, but I didn't have the balls. He stated that it would put me into the next Twilght Zone of anabolic steroids. I'll stick to my 1.5 - 2 a week when using. HellI'm on a cycle now and it consist of 750 mgs of Test and 1.5 cc of tren oed. I guess that figures out to 525 mg of tren a week for a total of only 1275. Shit I might have to bump the Test up after looking at this.
 
I thought I would bump this post becasue it is very interesting.

This could have alot to do with SHBG. Animals board talks about this. If you can raise your hormone levels to superphysiological levels, you will outcompete the SHBG and therefor grow like a weed. SHBG is what limits your growth ability and why you lose growth momentum as your cycle length goes on. This is also why the oldschool boys would pyramid their cycles. They would raise their AAS levels because the SHBG is continuously increasing due to the AAS. Now everyone says just start out with the full dosage, but they totally forgot about SHBG. It is true that natural test production stops once you start AAS, but if you don't continuously increase the dose, your growth progress with continuously decrease due to SHBG.
 
IRON MAN said:
So I take it no one believes his theory to be true or just the opposite? :D

No I have seen it work. The also now late Paul Borresen from England, continued to reaech this type of cycle and had great results with the many people he coached. But he went on super high doses for 4 weeks, then 4 weeks PCT and repeat. He said that at doses above 4g EW the AS had a second effect on muscle growth. Still trying to hunt out some of his work to post.
 
Macdaddy said:
This is also why the oldschool boys would pyramid their cycles. They would raise their AAS levels because the SHBG is continuously increasing due to the AAS.
Actually anabolic steroids in general lower SHBG. I can put up a study with different dosages of testosterone and how it effects SHBG if interested. The higher the dosage, the lower the SHBG.
 
KillerStack said:
Actually anabolic steroids in general lower SHBG. I can put up a study with different dosages of testosterone and how it effects SHBG if interested. The higher the dosage, the lower the SHBG.

SHBG can be lowered to a big extent also with winstrol or 50mg proviron. Seems to work better on fast acting tests than short acting through, not sure why.
 
TooPowerful4u said:
SHBG can be lowered to a big extent also with winstrol or 50mg proviron. Seems to work better on fast acting tests than short acting through, not sure why.
Yes Winstrol is much more potent than test at lowering SHBG. Could be in part due to them not aromatizing. Estrogen raises SHBG. Just guessing if that's why. Also read that Proviron doesn't lower SHBG per se, but binds to it, freeing up more test.

One interesting thing is that by lowering SHBG you are also freeing up more estrogen if you have aromatizing steroids in your stack. If that's good or bad is debatable.
 
KillerStack said:
Yes Winstrol is much more potent than test at lowering SHBG. Could be in part due to them not aromatizing. Estrogen raises SHBG. Just guessing if that's why. Also read that Proviron doesn't lower SHBG per se, but binds to it, freeing up more test.

One interesting thing is that by lowering SHBG you are also freeing up more estrogen if you have aromatizing steroids in your stack. If that's good or bad is debatable.

Proviron binds to SHBG as well as its a mild anti-estrogen. That should take care of the excess estrogen. All i know is iv noticed the two times if added proviron and winstrol into the mix while on test, i made my best gains without a doubt. I dont know why it took me til now to realize that but its most certainly true.
 
Is it a coincidence that two out of the three people who preport this to be true and will make you grow via a new pathway ARE DEAD??????
 

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