Fellow experts please help! First Cycle question

[mickey]

Hello all,

Newbie here who shares the same passion and pride in proper training and dieting. I am seeking some advice and suggestion as my friend has some question regarding doing his first cycle:

With Prohormone banned, he's thinking about jumping to the next level. Here are some of his background:

He had good result with Prohormones, gaining 10lb on a 8 wk cycle, reasonable size and strength gain.
He wants only orals, and does not want to use any injection.
He trains 4 times/week with heavy weight (last sets are to failure)
5'10" / 195lb / would like to gain 10 to 15 lb by end of cycle.
Consuming about 200g of protein ED

Please let me know what you think of his proposed cycle:
wk 1 to 10
10mg of d-bol ED(in the morning)
20mg of Primo ED

wk 11 and 12
50mg of Clomid

From my limited knowledge thru reading the articles in this formus, articles such as:
beginner growth principle
PTC

It appears that a cycle, especially beginner's first cycle, requires test, which is injection.

QUESTION #1: Can my friend get away with not including test in his cycle?
QUESTION #2: In this proposed cycle, if my friend run 10mg of Dbol first thing in the morning as mentioned in the following article, must he train in the morning to benefit? Can you train in the evening and still reap benefit?
morning 10mg d-bol
QUESTION #3: Has anyone ran low doses of Primo(20mg ED) without test during a cycle?
QUESTION #4: What are general consensus on Kilosport product(Revolt and Attack)? Can these be integrated during my friend's cycle to benefit? OR should they be used after the cycle & PTC are completed?

Basically my friend is trying to mimic the result of prohormone by using such low dosage, so...
QUESTION #5: Will such low dosage of d-bol and Primo cause HPTA shut down? If not, then is PCT required?

Please don't flame me too bad as I am trying to learn as much as I can. And thanks in advance for any advice and suggestion.

Rgd,
Mickey

 

[maxsupplements]

hmmmm

well, im not into doing the morning dbol route personally, but i do think that if you are taking a "supplement" of a certain chemical, your bodies own production will shut down in regards to the supplementation. if he is single and doesnt give a crap about gettin some ass, then he could do it, and will probably lose his sex drive while takin the dbol.
i am a firm believer of test for first cycles and also having test in your cycle as a base, heck i even still run test only cycles, they are the easiest and the cheapest!!!

 

[BCC]

Your friend should get over injections or take up table tennis.

The AM dbol does work, but it's primary function is to avoid axis shut down. Adding the primo in there will be more suppressive thus negating the point of the AM dbol.

Also, two weeks of clomid isn't much of a PCT.

 

[BigBoyJ]

If you're gonna do it, do it right. Really, man. All you'll do is mess up your hpta for nothing with that cycle. Don't be scared of the shots. After you get the balls up to do the first one, they aint' shit after a while.

 

[mickey]

Thanks all for the reply

Thanks to all for the advice given. Your input helps in confirming certain uncertainty that my friend has. Much appreciated!!

Again, I look up to you guys for always sharing the knowledge.

Rgd,
Mickey